Jul 20, 2004 02:32 pm No worries Coco, we are all here to help each other aren't we?
VAMP - Software...
Posted on Jul 20, 2004 02:26 pm
cocofromscotland
Hello!
Member Since: Jan 12, 2004
Following Sheperdsam's post (I should have done this days ago but alas, just gettin reminded by SSam inadvertantly)..
Users of the VAMP and the Bass VAMP can get some pretty excellent editor software at:
www.behringer.com - then look for the VAMP section. You can edit the presets, access them (using names) and download new ones! Cooooll!
All for free. All you need is MIDI on your PC and your sorted. Firmware updates also available.
Sorry Sheperdsam - not being smart here. I did mean to post this but your post reminded me! So, thanks...
Cheers all
Coco.
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Jul 20, 2004 02:32 pm No worries Coco, we are all here to help each other aren't we?
Jul 20, 2004 03:03 pm Indeed we are Aye..but some of us have terrible..what was it..eh..oh aye - MEMORIES! DOh!
Aye - your post reminded me I had meant to send this! I had sent a wee email to some VAMP users I knew and meant to post it here for the good of all but alas, forgot! I just downloaded the app on Friday and thought it was brill!
Damned memory!!
By the way, how do you find the POD compared to other modellers? I was gonny give it a spin but I heard it was similar to the VAMP so never bothered???
Cheers...
Coco.
Jul 20, 2004 03:24 pm I haven't tried the VAMP but I do have The RP2000 and the PODxt just blows it away.
I am really happy with it and I'm hoping that I'll stop discovering new sounds long enough to start recording stuff again sometime soon, lmao.
Jul 20, 2004 04:45 pm Aye...I thought the VAMP was not it was all it was cracked up to be til I just stuck with a couple of presets!! Darn good sound..
The reason I ask is - I had thought aboot the Pod. What's the RP2000?? Never heard of that my friend..
If you get a chance..give the VAMP2 a whirl. Available in rack mount too..very nice. And affordable..
Cheers
Coco
Jul 20, 2004 07:25 pm The RP2000 is a digitech pedal board that has a modeller and multi effects. It's a pretty good unit, I still have it and use it when I go jam with friends.
The PODxt has got much nicer sounds but it's not really designed to go in front of a guitar amp (you still could use it that way but the amp colours the sound and it defeats the purpose of having such great amp models).
Jul 20, 2004 08:02 pm i disagree! my pod sounds fantastic through an amp. playing through an amp merely defeats the coloration you get from the cabinet modeler, which is seperate from the amp modeler. but i even use the cab models through my peavey. technically the purpose is defeated....but you're still making many new sounds. your amp colors the amp colors themselves, you know?
my digitech rp-7 had more effects, i think, though.
Jul 20, 2004 09:02 pm The POD is actually pretty common to see in a live situation in front of an amp. I have seen many local and national acts do that. I think it sounds great. Even my old, original series POD sounds good amped.
Jul 21, 2004 12:35 am To me, the pod is great for rock and metal. The J Station is better rounded for more vintage, and rock sounds, although the heavy settings on the J Station are good too, just not as monsterous as the pod. If I were a blues or classical rock player/studio guy, I would go with the J station, easy.
Jul 21, 2004 06:30 am I dunno aboot the POD but with the vamp, you can use either the AMP, Drive AMP or Cab sims or any combination of these.
So, if yer using an Amp (I ran mine via a Marshall 8080) you should defo TURN THE CAB SIM OFF! This sounds muddy and messy even with the amp eq'd neutralised. I ran it using just the amp sim and it worked a treat..the cab sim was ruining the sound as it was coloured by the amp as someone rightly suggested.
What I REALLY want to do, and I've heard some awesome results with this - is to DI the VAMP straight into the PA - Then I will be able to run the Cab sims, as if it were MIC'd.
I think this is the best way to get the real sound out front...but I do take the point someone come up with re the amp muddying the sound - try turning of the cabs with the modeller and see the difference...awesome.
Coco.
Jul 21, 2004 07:12 am As I said in my earlier post, you can use the POD in front of your amp but the amp does colour the sound. No problem with that if you like the sound you're getting.
However, the POD does in fact model amps and cabs and I find that when I use it in conjunction with my amp I have to tweak the individual patches to get it to sound "right" to my ear.
Again, there is no "wrong" way to use it, but the difference between going direct and going straight into the P.A. or computer is quite noticeable and I'd rather use my Digitech floorboard for playing live than have to tweak each patch I use as it comes up.
Jul 21, 2004 07:18 am Yer totally correct - when it comes to musak, there is totally NO RIGHT AND WRONG! Canny stress that one enough.
With the VAMP, you can choose the sim via 1 button so I can have a Marshall with but 1, add drive but 2, add cabs but 3 and so on..
Kinda easier than tweakin the patches but I suppose everything has its pro's and con's. Thats why I was asking ya aboot the POD..I'd heard a lot of good things but I also heard there wasn't too much difference between both modellers other than price..I had thought of buying but if there isnt a WORLD of difference I aint splashing 300 quid!
Cheers...
Coco.
Jul 21, 2004 07:22 am Also, tho not sure with the newer POD series, but with my Bass Vamp Pro there are several output settings, a couple of which involve different configs between dry and wet outputs. So there are configuration options for the studio and for live settings.
Jul 21, 2004 07:57 am Forgot aboot that DB..aye there are 5 settings on ma VAMP2. so many for the studio, live and hybrids - I just haveny used anything other than S1 - records all!!
Coco,
Jul 21, 2004 08:28 am the v-amp whups all over the POD.... and is cheaper!
To get a good sound out of a POD and for it to sound less than digital mush you need a nice preamp and stuff.
With good pre-distortion equalisation the v-amp can sound pretty funky, even direct.
Damn the POD! :P
Jul 21, 2004 08:30 am Well, I don't agree with that, I believe the VAmp sounds better in a dollar/quality ratio, but price aside, I think the POD is better, just not 3 times better like the price is.
Jul 21, 2004 09:20 am Incedently, I realize that tone is very a subjective thing but I found the factory presets on the PODxt to be lacking somewhat. Having spent the time to tweak them and dial in my own patches however, I couldn't be happier with it.
Jul 21, 2004 10:30 am most factory settings in all those things I have foubd, (especially the digi) are for showroom impressions, most of them are unusable
Jul 21, 2004 12:33 pm i;'m trying to remember back to when i actually used the POD in my band. i remember that, depending on WHICH cab/amp combo you were using, it could sometimes sound muddy through your amp. some just didn't work well. in that case you would just tweak that cab model then and there or else just shut off the AIR switch, which disables the cab models. i didn't do recording back then, so i just set up the patches to sound good with my amp. if i did do recording back then, i would have saved a separate patch library for recording which i would just upload from my computer whenever it was time to record. and have another library with all the necessary live tweaks.
but now i'm thinking DI into the board is the way to go. i never understood rigs and stacks anyway. never could afford anything more than a little floor amp. always dreaded lugging a large stack around. to be able to carry it in my backpack would be awesome.
Jul 21, 2004 01:35 pm I like the V-amp2 very much. I has wonderful reverbs and pretty good chorus echo and others. I recorded "Y B Blue?" with it, straight into my Mackie.
You can hear it here;
www.nowhereradio.com/arti...552&alid=-1
You can also put stomp boxes in front of it, just like an amp.
It has a lot easier to use knobs on the front than the POD. The software makes it super easy to develop your own patches and there are 125 slots you can save thm in. It comes with a nice tote bad and a foot pedal. It really shines direct into a PA.
Blessngs, Terry
Jul 21, 2004 01:37 pm agreed, and the pro rackmount models have even more signal routing options than the desktop models. For the price range, it's pretty much impossible to beat a Vamp.
Jul 21, 2004 02:17 pm Aye..tis a top bit of kit..did you check out that software for your Bass VAMP yet DB?
Tis way cool!
Coco.
Jul 21, 2004 02:17 pm yeah, I looked at it, haven't used it yet, gotta get some more MIDI cables patched in...to handle the POD and Vamp thru my 2496.
Jul 21, 2004 02:28 pm Ah..see. Its good..when you get to use the patches with the names, it soooo much better! And you can do stuff with the software you cant with the hardware i.e. use more than 2 fx at once!
Pick your amp/cab/fx from a drop down! HANDY!
Also, presets and firmware is available. Man, when I started oot aboot 10 year ago, I never dreamed I'd be downloading guitar amps from this weird thing called the internet, you could only access via Netscape!!! Progress...
Coco.
Jul 21, 2004 02:40 pm Yup, the pro rack mount has S/PDIF as well.
Blessings, Terry
Jul 21, 2004 05:37 pm That's another thing about my PODxt that I love, editing on the computer rather than turning the knobs and reading the small display on the actual unit. No MIDI cables necessary either it uses a USB cable to interface with my PC.
And now with the firmware update, I have 128 memory locations as opposed to the 64 I had yesterday morning.
Jul 21, 2004 06:47 pm hey man do you know if they kept updating the pod 2.0 firmware? i never update stuff. my pod 2.0 still has the original 36 memory locations and i would like to pump that up if there is firmware for it. one reason i avoided checking is because i didn't fully understand.
Jul 21, 2004 08:39 pm Hey forty,
There is a flash memory update for the POD 2.0 listed on line6's website but it says that it requires the installation of an E-prom.
here is the link... www.line6.com/software/?s...=All&os=All
Jul 21, 2004 09:16 pm Well just to stand up for the POD I will say a few things. I traded my original POD which I truly loved and never got tired of tweaking. And picked up a POD XT which I am more then happy with. The thing is rock solid, and I love the fact it is now totally firmware updateable, no need to ever install a new chip.
The XT has some awsome blues settings which indeed if your going to play through a regular guitar amp you must be sure to set that guitar amp as flat as you can tonally and gain wise. Or indeed you will turn the POD to mush. A lot of the sounds are modelled after their awe inspiring Veta series amp and if you havent heard one live you need to, it can crunch like a 5150 or sing like a vintage twin reverb.
It does have several output mix configs as well and the USb connectivity is awsome, although I still leave it hooked via midi for editing. And I truly dont mind the wee screen on it, its just great that you can now edit entirely live on the POD rather then having to dig in via midi or the USB port.
Of course I am biased having used the POD since they first came out I am more then familier with hoe it reacts playing live straight into a PA or direct into the PC. You do need to pay attention to it and indeed dont rely on the factory presets if you want the thing to sound good in your set-up, you need to work with it.
OK, nuff said in defense of my buddy the POD XT. However, I will say I have heard some great tones from other modelers as well, just not like the POD.
Jul 21, 2004 09:28 pm OH and by the way, if you own an Xt, go to Line 6 and download the Monkey. It will automatically update your POD when updates are availabe for any of its software be it drivers, firmware or what not. I believe it will even update Line 6 Edit as well.
Oh ya, one more thing, the new flash update released on 7-19-04 is absolutely stunning as to the new models and tones creation.
Jul 21, 2004 09:47 pm what's an e-prom? a new chip? looks like it's free?
Jul 22, 2004 03:08 am yes, its free......freeeee..... FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Jul 22, 2004 04:34 am yeah, an e-prom is a little chip, you have to open your pod and push into place. pretty easy really.
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