Mar 28, 2009 01:24 pm It doesn't look all that hard to build.
How fast do you need it?
Sadly I am in my festival season. So I don't have much free time on my hands.
Do you have a photo of what the finished product looks like?
Which one of you geniuses can make this??
Posted on Mar 28, 2009 04:59 am
CynicEidolon
I tune down down...
Member Since: Jun 11, 2007
It's a breath volume controller for a stereo line signal and I'd like to have one. :P
I'd be willing to pay if someone can make it.
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Mar 28, 2009 01:24 pm It doesn't look all that hard to build.
How fast do you need it?
Sadly I am in my festival season. So I don't have much free time on my hands.
Do you have a photo of what the finished product looks like?
Mar 28, 2009 02:07 pm No time here either. Have you looked at any of the pre built units?
www.google.com/search?q=b...lient=firefox-a
Mar 28, 2009 02:59 pm I've looked at them but they aren't quite like this one.
I don't need it anytime soon. In fact since I'm moving, it's best if it's put off for a bit.
Here's a photo of the finished thing...
The black thing in the corner.
I will pay ANY reasonable price when ever any has time. I've looked into trying to do it myself, I'm just not ready for something like that.
THanks guys. :) BTW, what do you think of it? I've always loved the fact of this being done for a guitar.
Mar 28, 2009 03:00 pm That pic, is actually the midi one... I think. But, they look the same.
Mar 28, 2009 04:09 pm OK. the one in the picture that you have there shows the mouth piece built in to the project box.
Is that the way you need it? Or do you have the mouth piece that goes to TRS?
Also, the project box does not show any input or output controls that the schematic shows. Does the other have controls?
If there are none, that means that there are trimmer pots. Which is no problem, it just means that you have control over the gain input or output.
And is this battery operated? Or, do you want a wall plug for it?
And lastly, how about an input VU meter instead of a clip light? If you want an AC plug, there is enough current to put an LED VU meter on it. Any interest?
Mar 28, 2009 04:40 pm I do suggest going the AC powered route with that. It will gobble batteries up in less then an hour, sometimes in less then half an hour. I've used a home made one similar to that one and it does require a heavy power supply. And the heat cooling he suggested in the one schematic is indeed required. The units like that get indeed overheated quickly.
If I might ask, exactly what effect are you trying to achieve with it on a guitar?
Mar 28, 2009 05:42 pm Thanks Rob and Noize!
I'd like to have the mouth piece attached to a mic stand or at least able to clip to one, cause I'd like to get a talk box eventually too. But, this comes first. Haha. So, no. I don't have a mouth piece.
And all I want is volume control. I think the one shown in the pic I posted mods EQ on the X an Y axis joystick with the wind controller just does dynamics.
I'd much like it wall plug in. I don't like batteries. And I'd also like to be able to turn it on and off with a foot switch and true bypass... Which isn't too hard, right? And a LED VU would kick ***! Haha. I'd love that.
I'll upload a vid of a guy playing one that is the type of thing I'm looking for.
Mar 28, 2009 05:59 pm That is one expensive volume pedal, I gotta say.
But to each their own I guess.
And ya, I'd like to see the video for sure.
Mar 28, 2009 06:03 pm The sound this guy gets is NUTS! I love it!
I also think his has the EQ XandY axis thing...
OKay... It does. Lol.
Mar 28, 2009 10:04 pm Hey CyniEidolon, since I had the day off, I started to look around for the prices of the parts that are needed.
Looks as if it's going to be a little pricey.
The U3 IC, is now obsolete. I found a replacement. The THAT 2162 is not a direct replacement. But it's still a dual VCA. Just the price of the VCA is about $5.85. And it only comes in a qsop package. Which means that a PCB must be made for this.
Now the opamps are cheap. I was looking at the NE5532P. Which is a dual opamp. So you only need one for every two that are on the schematic. They are only .80 cents. So that is not bad at all. And it comes in a sop package as well.
All in all, I guesstimating that it will be about $300.00 or so just for me to build this. And that is if I can find the mouth piece for it. I'm not 100% on this. But I am starting to think that Yamaha may have bought the company that makes them. I have to keep looking on that.
I know that this is not an immediate need on this box. So, I'll keep looking to see if I can find the pieces any cheaper.
Mar 28, 2009 10:32 pm Awesome man! I think I found a link to a mouth piece like the one on the box. But, I will have to find it again.
Thank you so much! And I hope you guys like this idea. I've wanted one for so long that I can taste it. Haha. (Or maybe it's just the piece of rubber I'm chewing on.)
Mar 28, 2009 10:36 pm www.zzounds.com/item--YAMBC3A
Would that work just removing the head piece? Or it going to need something else?
Mar 28, 2009 10:48 pm Yeah, this is the same one that I keep finding as well.
I don't know if you can disassemble this one. I'll have to do some researcher on that.
Mar 29, 2009 11:40 am Kewl. Like I said. Nooo rush. Haha. Just keeping it on the back burner. :D
Mar 29, 2009 06:49 pm Personally, I would leave the sensor that is part of the mouthpiece set up attacked and use that as they show it with the mini jack for the connection instead of replacing that. Its one less thing to tear apart and redo the electronics of.
Mar 29, 2009 07:34 pm Looks as if I will have to. I can't seem to find just the mouth piece anywhere.
Which certainly is not the end of the world. It just brings the price up.
Mar 29, 2009 08:15 pm Ya, whats odd is they don't show the pressure transducer set up in there anywhere so I'm guessing they were counting on using that anyway. It looks like the one set up probably built it into the box. Without it the thing won't do squat.
Mar 29, 2009 08:48 pm I email the guy that made the first one, Johann Haake, a few months ago. And he didn't answer. But, he did when these things first came out a few years ago so, I wonder where he go the mouth piece? I know there is blog on his site about waiting for a shipment of them to come in....
Hmm...
Mar 29, 2009 08:49 pm Yep. That is what the top IC in the schematic is for. For the input of the Yamaha controller.
But, one thing that is really cool about this Noize. Is that I found a great site for PCB's. You may already aware of this company. I just downloaded their software, and started making the PCB in about 5 minutes.
www.pcb123.com/?gclid=CL3RypjEyZkCFeZL5Qod9TMg5w
It's just another company that will make the PCB for you. But, the software is much more user friendly than Eagles software. If you don't have it yet, you may want to.
Mar 29, 2009 08:51 pm I don't know if this will help any. But, here seems to be a PDF zipped file of the newest design he has done. It seems to have something about the mouthpiece in it, but it's all Greek (or Swedish as these guys are) to me. :P
tubefreak.com/breath.zip
Here is his site.
www.tfe.umu.se/personliga/jh/index.html
Mar 29, 2009 09:00 pm Well, that's a whole different animal form the first one that you gave us.
The one that you just posted, is the midi version. The first is just the analogue in and out version.
So, the first, you put two different effect units in to the jacks, and mix them by using the mouth piece.
The second, is doing an internal move. To what ever the PIC is programed for that is inside of the unit.
Which are you looking for?
Mar 29, 2009 09:04 pm Ya, I can see now in the pic's that Cynic put the link to that he has the transducer on the card now. I'm guessing he just removed it from the original Yamaha unit and then found one that worked.
I'll make a couple of calls tomorrow and see if I can find anything close to the mouthpiece unit if the transducer is available then only a mouth piece will be needed. I know a couple of injection molding places that might have something close or that can be modified.
Rob, ya I have heard of it but not seen it yet. That is some nice stuff.
And ya, it looks alot more user friendly then anything I've used in the past.
Mar 29, 2009 09:26 pm Just the analog version Rob. I don't need and couldn't use the midi one anyway. Just thought maybe the second thing might help some since it seems to be much more of an in depth schematic.
So, just the first version I posted. The Analog one.
Thanks Noize! That would kick *** specially if it helps Rob out. I've been looking some too and can't seem to find anything like it.
Mar 29, 2009 09:43 pm COOL! I was looking over the pressure senors on the schematic. He doesn't list which one he used. And he photographed the back side of it. So you can see the model numbers. I was about to try and match it up with ones on Mouser, but there must be about 100 different types of the same body design.
This way makes life much easier!
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