Marshall JVM210
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Posted on Sep 04, 2008 10:31 pm
CynicEidolon
I tune down down...
Member Since: Jun 11, 2007
I was going to get a Vox AC50CP2H, but the store didn't want to special order something they were going to have to finance... Kinda made me upset so I said, well, I'll finance the biggest, baddest, most expensive amp you have in the store. I was kidding, of course... Turns out, I LOVED THE DARNED THING!!! The JVM210 series is awesome!
Here is my problem. I like the tone I get with it, but I need a little bottom articulation for my guitar. I play a 7 string Ibanez tuned, GCGCFAD from low to high. Since, I'm tuned that low, you can see where I have some issues with the low end keeping in tact. I've come to the conclusion that because of the low frequency of the "G" string(hehe) that I might want to look into a bass cab? Or does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm running some hefty gain but, Kyuss/Neurosis like... Not Cannibal Corpse like. Anyway, suggestions?
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TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Sep 05, 2008 11:25 am When I read the model number, it suggests that combo uses 2 x 10" speakers, but I see in the product description that its 2 x 12". For a moment there, I thought I had a solution to your problem :)
It may be worth trying out an extension cabinet. Either another 2 x 12" or like you say, maybe something designed for lower frequencies like a 1 x 15". I have a feeling that a 15" speaker would be too flubby but I can't say for sure.
In the description I'm reading, I just see that it says "Celestion speakers", but they don't give a model. It may also be worth auditioning some new speakers that are more in line with your style of music. I'm no speaker conniseur so I don't have any recommendations, but there's a guitar cab speaker for everyone.
But probably the easiest, cheapest, and best thing to do is just crank the amp. That'll get those 12" speakers moving. I notice on my 2 x 12" that I don't get a really impressive low end until the amp is at 3/4 full master volume, which is loud.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Sep 05, 2008 12:51 pm My cowriter uses a 4x12 and a 2x15 together for live shows... no 'flubbyness' whatsoever... jus' balls, and more balls .
Dimebags Warhead rig was a similar configuration .
Cranking it may be just what the Dr. ordered, but if it isn't, try a 15" cab... or two . : )
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Sep 05, 2008 03:15 pm That's good to know that a 15" can do a tight guitar tone. I wasn't sure that a cone that big could react quickly enough to get a good, tight "chugga chugga" kinda palm-muting sound that's so popular with hi-gain guitar tones.
I didn't see any speaker outputs in the description I read for that amp...are there any extra powered outputs? It might be labelled "external speaker" or something similar.
Although an extension cab might be a challenge if there are no speaker outputs. You'd have to redirect the existing outputs and then get impedance matched to a 4 x 12" or something like that. In that case, it'd be easier to return the combo and buy a head + cabinet so you can choose your speakers/cabinet separately from the amp and open up a ton more possibilities.
Sep 05, 2008 03:38 pm Tad... Sorry. I must correct what I said. I have(as of today! hehe.) The JVM210H which is just the head, so I need a cab. Haha.
But, I was thinking of getting a "15 or at least trying one. Maybe a 2x12 Mesa and a "15 Ampeg or something. :) On top of a JVM... I think I need to clean the seat. Haha.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Sep 05, 2008 03:54 pm Yeah Tad, he actually used just the 2x15 cab for his guitar for the last ten years of gigs, and has just recently added the 4x12 . Maybe it's because it's a fender cab, but it always had a good tight response .
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 05, 2008 08:03 pm I'll second Hue on the 2 x 15 thing as well. I played the same rig through a custom built head years ago and loved it. I know a few others besides Dimebag that used that type of rig as well. One of them does use a 7 string tuned very similar to yours.
Sep 05, 2008 08:36 pm Kewl. I will try that out. I put it through a 15" today at work, the low end was incredible!!! But, the highs were the issue, so... Now, the hunt begins. Haha.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Sep 05, 2008 10:04 pm OK I see, its the head then. Well then that's a good thing! Looks like a great head too, packed full of features that I don't see on amps very often (individual reverb settings per channel, lots of footswitchable options, 2 effects loops). I'd say that's a top-of-the-line head.
I still don't see the specs on the speaker outputs as far as the impedance expected though. There may even be more than 1 output, which would be ideal for your situation. It sounds like a 1x15 coupled with either a 2x12 or 4x12 (or even 2x10 or 4x10) might be the ticket.
But remember that low end isn't really a guitar's place in the mix. that's the bassist's territory and if you get too strong in those frequencies, then the bass and the guitar will end up being difficult to distinguish to the listener.
And as a standard piece of advice for anybody who owns a high-wattage tube amp, think about buying a power attenuator. Then you get to cook that power section and still tone it down enough that you can be in the same zip code with the amp without turning your insides into puree from the extreme SPL. Plus the sound guy at your next gig will love you since you can get your super-sweet tone at an acceptible stage volume.
Sep 05, 2008 10:20 pm Haha. Yeah. The head is SWEEEEETTT! I've been playing with it all night, (just the direct out, which sounds awesome!)
The outputs on it are NUTS. It has 4ohm out, single. 8ohm out, single or double, and 16 ohm out, single or double.
That's the only thing that I'm afraid of is taking the bass spot over. Lol. (Although, it's been 5 months and STILL can't find a bassist that fits the bill) But, I think that I can just tweak it enough to just get the HUGE tone I'm looking for.
I've thought about an attenuator, but I think that if I have to be that quiet, the DI will do enough for it. (It sounds great too. Haha.)
I'm thinking an Orange or a Mesa 2x12 and a Mesa or GK 15"... Which do you guys recommend? I'm going for the clarity and articulation of Adam Jones but the size and girth of Stephen Carpenter and Fredrik Thordendal.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 05, 2008 11:47 pm I like both the Orange and the Mesa cabs. The Mesa maybe does the grind a little better then the Orange. But on that note if you are combining the Orange with the Mesa 15 (which I prefer over the GK if might be just the ticket as it will let the Mesa 15 do a little more work in the low mid section to add the bawls you are looking for.
I like the Mesa 15 over the GK as the GK is a little too much rumble, probably attributed to the cab itself more then the speaker used.
Sep 06, 2008 02:22 am Hmmm... Alright, I will look into that. Anything/one have any other suggestions? Thought about a Diezel cab... But never played through one.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 06, 2008 03:28 pm Never played through a Diezel and not sure I know anyone local that has. I know their website sucks that is for sure. But I have heard they are a good cab for your style of music.
Sep 06, 2008 08:54 pm Well, I tried the Diezel... No go. The bass wasn't articulate enough and the speakers seemed to break up too soon... On to Orange!! Haha. Anyone heard of Vader Cabs? I was recommended to try them.
Sep 07, 2008 02:26 am i love vader cabs, well i dont play guitar but i was sitting next to one being run by an engl 100 watt tube amp and it sounded wonderful.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 07, 2008 12:29 pm I know Vader released a 2 x 15 within the last years sometime and it was aimed at 7 string rigs like yours. Never heard one of their cab's yet though.
Sep 07, 2008 02:21 pm Yeah, I saw it. I'm just afraid that it won't be enough for the articulation in the highs.
Sep 07, 2008 04:13 pm I've a question about the DI...
If I have a DI track and a mic'd track from the cab, will that act as two independent signals as would, when I run two different amps? Would it have the same effect as if I were running one amp 6 o'clock left and one 6 o'clock right in a mix? Hence, creating a true stereo signal?
Or would it be the same as having two mics on one sound source and seem mono even with the pan?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 07, 2008 06:46 pm Yep, I do that all the time. I record a DI track and a micced track to get a fuller sound.
On the 2 x 15 I was thinking more along the using it with a 2 x 12 or 4 x 12 as well to get the full on tone.
Sep 07, 2008 08:52 pm Sweet! No more phase reversal to fake it!!! Lol.
Hmm... That's true. Maybe an Orange 2x12 with the Vader 2x15... That'd be nuts! Haha.
Noize, you will be thanked on the E.p. :)
