Jan 19, 2008 02:00 pm I'll say it first...
Har-Bal.
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final mastering?????
Posted on Jan 19, 2008 01:55 pm
capellino
Member Since: Dec 06, 2007
ok..so i mixed atrack pretty good..and i put the final mixdown in wavelab...i put some of the waves plugins but still i dont have the result i want..how can i make my track sound like the proffesion track...to sound more loud..and when i crank the volume up to not make a distortion on my song...
its hard and i cant find how to do it..
what is the best way to go to have a best result..i am new at mastering so i would like some points..what sould i use?an eq?some phase?...i work with wavelab to be more spacific
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Jan 19, 2008 03:06 pm i used the demo of har bal man..and i am not satisfied..maybe i dont know to use it well but i think wavelab is better
Jan 19, 2008 04:30 pm Well you probably didn't use it right for sure.
What seems to be the problem with your mastered track?
An how can you think Wavelab is better if you really don't know what mastering is or how to do it? I'm a bit confused there.
Jan 19, 2008 05:30 pm Yeah...post a link and let us listen. Perhaps then we'll be able to offer some advice or clear up some questions.
Jan 19, 2008 06:05 pm i uploaded here a song of a punk band i am recording these days
here is the link
www.homerecordingconnecti...sic&id=6412
or just go to mu profile and my songs and find it
i have to see i know the meaning of mastering but i am new at this
the only thing i did at this song is to put the l1 ultramaximazer from waves and some eq from wavelab
what else can i dot
what is normally the route to go..and what plugins shoud i use in my final mastering...
please help and tell me what u think about the song
Jan 19, 2008 06:23 pm Hey capellino, listened to the track. Sounds friggin' awesome to me. The only thing I would do is work on the snare. Of course this is subjective but I'd like to hear more crack. Otherwise, kicks ***. Well done.
Jan 19, 2008 06:27 pm thanx man..yeah i...i didnt had a good mic for the snare and the toms when i recorderd the drummer..i jsut baought 5 days ago 4 shure's sm 57 and now the snare and the toms are great..so u think is ok?
i play my song and then play for example some songs from a wilhem scream..cause the band that i am recording they wanna sound like them...of course i am not stupid..i now that i cant make the same production that they have..they record in studios that they charge 1000 dollars an hour..but i wanted to crank the volume up some more..and do not hear any distortion...thanx for your kinds words man..i try all the time to be the best i can..and am i still learnging but i think i am in a good road :)
Jan 19, 2008 06:30 pm so...any other opinions?i am waiting for some sugestion and the normal route to go when i master i track..
Jan 19, 2008 06:43 pm Here is my take on the tune. There is a real lack of lower frequencies in there. The kick drum is the only real low end in the mix. The bass sounds good on its own but needs some punch to it and some lower end added via EQ. I would say to compress that track a bit more and add some EQ around the 500Hz point with maybe about 5dB of boost. The rest of the drum kit sounds pretty good with the snare lacking some smack as BH pointed out. Not sure that you can fix that without re-tracking the drums or at least the snare track.
The guitar are very high end sounding and could use a boost in the lower mid range as well to help get them sounding smoother.
I liked the track and as is it isn't bad. But you will have a hard time getting it louder and not have it become annoying to the ears. It appears to be pretty loud as it is though so I think you got a good boost from the L1 plug.
Jan 20, 2008 07:34 am i think that i has too many lower frequensies..i try to push some more the higher ones..i think it has too mach bass sound. the thing is ..when i mix at my monitors..they are the yamaha msp7 ..the song is great..when i send the song after to my other pc that has a great 5.1 system..to hear and enjoy the song it has too much bass..maybe i have my monitors fixed wrong..i dont know..its strange to me..every other song that i play its great..when i put to listen mine the woofer kicks in pretty hard
Jan 20, 2008 07:34 am so...anybody has any more opinions for my song?
Jan 20, 2008 01:47 pm I would trust your monitors over the PC 5.1. The extra bass could be the sub being turned up too much. How does it sound in the car?
Har-Bal has helped me out a bit in this area. My monitors are not very good but Har-Bal allows for a visual confirmation. I'm still getting the hang of it but it has helped me make mixes sound good on many different systems.
Jan 20, 2008 02:20 pm i do that too..i always listen to my songs in the car to have a better opinion..but i havend burd them to a cd yet..the 5.1 system on my other pc are some logitech speakers and a woofer..great for listening music..but not for monitoring i think..the monitors i have a ok i think..and when i mix the song soungs great..but in the others system its toatally different..i cant understand what is going on...every other songs from famous artists that i have on both pc's sounds the same on both..its a strange situation for me..
Jan 20, 2008 03:48 pm Quote:
i play my song and then play for example some songs from a wilhem scream..cause the band that i am recording they wanna sound like them
I would load one of their songs into Har-Bal and see what it looks like. This might help you target areas in your overall spectrum that need tweaking.
Yeah...it sounds really great, but I gotta go with BeerHunter on the snare. Need to be crisper.
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every other songs from famous artists that i have on both pc's sounds the same on both..its a strange situation for me..
That's because the songs from your favorite artists have been harmonically balanced to sound the same no matter where you play them. This is one of the things that Har-Bal does best!
Jan 21, 2008 05:05 am guys..i am looking every where to buy har bal..they dont shell it in greece anywhere...and i dont have a credit card to buy from the net.can i download the trial somewhere?and if can..in how many days it expires?
Jan 21, 2008 05:06 am and another thing..it har bal easy to learn?
Jan 21, 2008 06:44 am Har-Bal is only available from them, over their web site. it's easy to learn, it's really a pretty simple application...as far as you remark of WaveLab being better...they are incomparable...two completely different applications.
www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=368 is an old article, but still applies as far as what Har-Bal is and how to use it effectively.
Jan 21, 2008 07:20 am so i put some compresoros at wavelab and then at har bal i do my final mastering right?cause from what i see har bal i only for eqing right?
Jan 21, 2008 11:17 am db masters...i see that u are everywhere in this forum and u have an opinion about everything...so can i ask u something?
before i say anything.i would like to know your daw and what equipment do u use?and i f these songs here on your profile are yours..u recorderd,mixed and mastered these tracks?
Jan 21, 2008 11:23 am Well, it's my site, I think I am entitled to be active on it...that said, I do not have opinions on everything, you may notice there are a few topics I steer clear of because there are others here that know those subjects better than me. Mastering is one thing I do know though.
In my profile I did some of the songs myself, some I was simply a session player for, others I was a band member of. Ironically, none of them are really my best work, my best mastering workj has always been done for others which I can't post.
Today I have a very simple DAW, I cleaned house a sold most of my gear last year...currently I have a KB37 and Sonar 7...a few softsynths and Battery 3...WaveLab and Har-Bal. That's pretty much it...it's in my profile.
Jan 21, 2008 06:08 pm i was asking cause u say a lot of stuff and i just heard yout production and for my opinion they are not anything special..
i am not a mean guy.i am just saying my opinion..cause i saw u say a lot abour mastering and the sound i hear it not anything special..
Jan 21, 2008 10:42 pm Did you read his last post?
And if you're not a mean guy, why would you even make such a statement? What does it prove? To me, that type of comment is both inappropriate and counter-productive.
The good people around here have been very helpful to you in the month-and-a-half that you've been a member. That gets less likely to happen when you post something negative about one of our Admins.
Because we're not mean guys, we'll just assume that it's a language thing and that you didn't really phrase your comment the way you had intended.
Jan 22, 2008 09:11 am no..is said it right...and of course i am thankfull for all your help..but i strange to me how can someone claims to know so many things about mixing and mastering and his results are medium
Jan 22, 2008 11:30 am You don't hear anything special? What about the fact that no matter what stereo you throw it on it sounds good and is loud enough. To me that is what mastering is all about and harbal does a fantastic job of "Harmonic Balancing".
Depending on the recording I don't always go for a super pristine over-processed sound like you are going for on this track. Most of the guys here don't use drum replacement software as the music they do would sound ridiculous with it. If I am doing old timey music or some latin jazz then I want that distance sound, distance as in two overheads and a nice LDC about 10 feet in front of the kit to capture a natural tone.
And I'm sorry, but WTF brought on your crappy comments? You have a problem with the website owner commenting in threads? Who cares what the songs in someones profile sound like?
Me for instance, I have been doing this for several years now and have a decent knowledge of many aspects to recording, mixing and mastering. Because I can't afford the "money is no object" pre-amps and do the best with my $2000 worth of interface and mics somehow means I don't know what I'm talking about? That is stupid.
Jan 22, 2008 02:44 pm Yeah...the songs in my profile suck too, but that doesn't stop me from reading threads and helping people with their questions. Sometimes I know what I'm talking about and sometimes I just think I do.
When you ask a question and you don't get the answer you're looking for then keep asking. If you don't trust someone's advice then disregard it. Don't insult them.
This doesn't just apply here at HRC, but it's part of life in general.
Jan 22, 2008 07:56 pm I stayed away from this thread last night as I was a little bit too pissed to even want to reply without insulting you back.
If you read the statement he posted you would understand that is not his more professional work that is posted here. It is music that was re done from old tapes for one, and the other music is done for the fun of it.
Not for the Look at me and see how great I am purpose you seem to think it is. Personally I wasn't even going to justify this with another posting but having known dB for too many years I can't let it sit.
I have several CD's by artist's that he has mastered for and played for. As he stated very clearly, he cannot for legal reasons post them up her for your listening pleasure. As I am in the same boat and cant post some of my best work here for legal reasons as well I have to make that perfectly clear to you.
Back to his paid work. The CD's I have are of the highest quality and are up to your supposed standards. For someone who claims to be a begginer you sure have a lot of attitude towards those that are giving you a helping hand.
I could have ripped your mix completely apart and been very rude about how I felt it was mixed. But I gave you the honest truth on what I hear in it, in a very constructive way.
Personal opinion here is that you have spent a good deal of money on gear and software, as you seem to have several thousand dollars worth of software you have listed over the last month or so. You cannot expect to learn to use it overnight, but with the background of years in analog recording you claim to have it should be an easy transition to the digital domain. But you are making it difficult for anyone to want to help you by being argumentative and condescending to almost everyone here that has tried to help you.
I will continue to give you any advise you ask for, whether you use it or accept it is completely up to you.
I suggest you find a better way to communicate, and read someones reply completely and understand it before you make off the wall comments as you did above.
You can interpret this as you like.
Jan 23, 2008 02:35 am common man..i i am not rude..and i am not a mean guy.i was just curiouus..thats why i asked him first to tell me his gear..i dont know..maybe the songs that he cant post here are awesome..i was just telling my opinion about his songs here..if i post a song here and you hate it you should tell me about it..i am a honest man and and encourage honesty.thats why i wanted to be honest too..
Jan 23, 2008 11:14 am capellino, it is cool that you are looking for honest feedback on your music. Not everyone is. Unless someone is looking for feedback you should probably avoid negative comments. Keep them to yourself. What did you expect the outcome to be? Do you really feel that slamming someone elses stuff here will make people want to help you?
We are here to help each other. I gave you some comments as well. If you listen to my tracks you will find them to be less than impressive as well. Does that mean that my comments are not valid? I left you a comment that I felt the snare needed to cut through better. If you listened to a song of mine and it had a weak sounding snare, would you discard my comment?
People around here are very helpful and friendly. You probably shouldn't "bite the hand that feeds you".
Jan 23, 2008 11:24 am capellino, I am well aware of issues with my currently posted songs, these songs are posted for fun, not a resume, some are ripped from cassette tapes that are over 10 years old, some I just simply recorded and half-mixed to get a sample of the songwriting, not a final product...
Regardless, I have no reason to justify myself to you, I have been in the business WAY too long to put up with know it all prima donna's.
I just listened to that tune in your profile...is that your resume? Is that the best of the best that you have done? Do you plan to post only your greatest works here?
Jan 23, 2008 11:43 am You were honest with your opinion, yet nobody asked for it. That is the key point. You may not be a rude person in general, but at that moment you were indeed rude.
When I post under composition I want opinions on the songwriting. When I post under mixing I want opinions on my mixes. When someone asks for my opionion, I should not be required to have "better" recordings posted to reply.
I am still anxious to hear your finished product on this and hope we all can move past this. Oh by the way that band is not punk, they sound more hardcore to me :)
Jan 23, 2008 12:26 pm and when u hear the band with vocals u realized that they are post punk..not so much hardcore..they dont have good voices..they suck really..thats why i posted only the mucic part first
Jan 23, 2008 01:25 pm Roger that, the music sounds hardcore to me. Some punk vocals would make it hardcore punk, which is actually a genre I like.
Jan 24, 2008 07:08 am har bal workds for mac?
is there a mac version for har bal?
Jan 24, 2008 08:33 am Last I heard the Mac version was being worked on, have never heard anything of it's completion as yet.
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