Jan 13, 2008 03:48 pm I would limit the master track, and then remix from there . This is the stage where the finer points of your mixing will count .
WARNING: This may also be the place that you fry your mix . Proceed with caution .
Master Clipping
Posted on Jan 13, 2008 02:59 pm
mclir9
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Member Since: Aug 13, 2006
Ok using Sonar 6.0PE. I have 8 Audio tracks laid down and right now I am trying to Mix the Kick and the Snare tracks. Neither track clips on their own (peak at about -3.3 at worst), however the Master Track clips in the red (0.9 at highest) at a few points when these to tracks are playing together. Is it a problem if the Matser Track is clipping, but not the individual tracks and if so what should I do to fix this?? Compress the Kick and Snare tracks, turn their volumes down, Hard Limit them to -12 with no volume boost?? Whats proper procedure. Also isn't it like usually -12 I will ultimately want my individual tracks to peak around??
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Jan 13, 2008 03:48 pm I would limit the master track, and then remix from there . This is the stage where the finer points of your mixing will count .
WARNING: This may also be the place that you fry your mix . Proceed with caution .
Jan 13, 2008 10:10 pm It really depends. As Hue stated limiting the master track will give a pretty good result. But it is indeed this type of thing that can end up squashing a mix as well.
My personal take would be to either limit or simply lower the offending tracks. If you are not going to be adding any other tracks into the mix then you can also automate a momentary drop in level of the offending track or tracks briefly by either drawing in the volume automation were it is happening or selecting that section of the track and applying a destructive edit like volume reducing or what have you.
Myself I prefer the non destructive method of automating a quick level change to accommodate the peak of the track or tracks.
Jan 13, 2008 10:48 pm Thank you both for the advice. After further review we decided to re-record at a level that will give us more headroom, say at -18db instead of -5. As it is, these tracks were originally recorded using Adobe Audition and then the audio files were imported into Sonar. In Adobe they were recorded at -12db, and for some reason when they were imported into Sonar, Sonar saw them on the average of -5db eliminating all the headroom.
Jan 17, 2008 09:27 am Trying to eliminate having to re-record the tracks. Is it complete taboo to just lower the volume of the offending tracks with the slider instead of trying to compress the loud tracks etc for more headroom. I read somewhere that this should never be done, but I think thats for the purposes of sending the tracks to other peoples to Master etc.
Jan 17, 2008 10:12 am why don't you just automate the volume with an envelope.
works well for me, and I do it all the time.
I still compress, but not so much that it's apparent.
Jan 17, 2008 02:17 pm Mainly because the automation would start at the beginning and go to the end. It's the whole track that needs to be silenced. From -3.3 to around -15.
Jan 17, 2008 06:10 pm yeah this phenom is called "summing" when you "add" two or more audio signals together, the final output will be louder than any single track on it's own.
i'd compress the individual tracks before limiting the master buss.
wassssup hue!
Jan 17, 2008 07:58 pm WAH-sup me brudda !
And yes, I agree with your statement about the compression... I was assuming he was past that(i.e..."the finer points of your mix..." meaning dynamic-adjustments), and that it was still an issue .
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