Connecting a Cyber Twin SE to mixer/Firewire 410

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Member Since: Jan 15, 2011

I have a Cyber Twin SE and want to use it for input to my recording system. I have tried all the outputs on the rear of the unit but, cannot seem to get a consistent level and clean sound.

Is there a trick?

I have a Firewire 410 interface upstream is a mackie 1202 VLZ Pro mixer. I use Pro Tools. I also have a Boss DR-880 that is my usual guitar effects device but I would like to be able to use the twin's sounds for recording.

Thanks in advance.

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Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jan 16, 2011 01:28 pm

Hello Khald, welcome to the HRC.

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I have tried all the outputs on the rear of the unit


I'll start with this above. Hopefully you didn't try ALL the outputs, because some of them are speaker outputs, which will most probably fry whatever is next in line, like your mixer or 410.

If you didn't try ALL the outputs, then please be more specific as to which outputs you used. I'm guessing that there's a LINE output, or a PREAMP out. Maybe there's also an emulated speaker output, which will be LINE level. LINE level is the level of signal you want, as speaker level signal is high wattage, and MIC level is way low for this situation.

First, I would put up a MIC and stick it in front of the cyborg. Plug the other end into the MIC input on the 410, and adjust to taste. This will capture much more of the nuances of the speakers / cab / room, etc. Gain staging comes into play here, see below for a bit of the process.

If that's not an option, I would try the emulated speaker output first, if there is one. It won't be exactly like the sound you're getting from the speaker(s), but it may be close enough. Plug cable from the Em SPK out to a LINE input on your 410.

Also when recording, you'll want a lot less distortion than when you're listening in the room.

Also, you'll want to gain stage your 410 when recording. Having the input gain up all the way only introduces overdrive and distortion (bad kind). Start with the 410 input gain around 4 or 5 and tweak it until you're getting signal, but not overdriving the 410. Hopefully there's an overdrive light, or clipping light. Turn down the gain so it doesn't light up anymore, and that should be good. Leave it alone from then on, as the gain is proper for that stage.

Setting gain properly along the chain is important, though probably not as critical as your interface input gain.

I can't see where you'd need the mixer for this operation. Just using it to use it introduces unwanted noise, and possibility for error, so go as simple as possible: Source (cyborg) -> [MIC] -> 410 -> PC (software).

hope this helps.


Member
Since: Jan 15, 2011


Jan 29, 2011 03:12 pm

Sorry for the delay in responding and thanks for the input.

No, I didn't try all the outputs, some I knew were wrong!
I am trying to avoid mic'ing the amp given the location of my 'studio'.

I do have 2 XLR line outputs.

I did as you suggested and ran them thru the front of the 410, voila!!

I guess I wasn't persistent enough in my trials.

Thanks for the help. Perhaps in the future I can ask more intelligent questions.

Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jan 29, 2011 03:19 pm

Heck yeah! Good on you to get it sorted.

I know someone that has a cyborg w/ 4x12 bottom. Wow, what a rig. Very nice.

Have fun.

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