Does anyone know the band...??
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Posted on Jan 11, 2008 06:32 pm
xlakejunkiex
Ryan
Member Since: Dec 28, 2007
...good charlotte? because i have a song i am recording and the way that their vocals sound would be perfect for it. so i was wondering how i would go about getting that sound?
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pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:01 pm cool, i haven't heard from them in awhile, just youtubed a couple songs, and i like!
the most prominent thing I hear is delay, like a 1 step, just close enough to sound with the lead, but far enough away to give it a tunneling type sound.
Probably add some verb, and/or chorus and/or flange/phaser to some degrees/wetness.
Meaning, I'd start with delay first, then add the others, in little bits, to see what one's get you close.
ymmv, etc.
Jan 11, 2008 07:04 pm ok, thanks alot. how should i add the delay? i use cubase LE, sorry i'm kinda new. :/
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:14 pm no prob,
not seeing cubase . . .
i'd expect there's an FX bin, or rack, or something similar, that you can add effects to for a certain track.
Track your vocals, and/or vocal takes, as there may be more than one.
If you can group in cubase (i'm sure you can) make a group, so you can add effects to the group, like tracks 5,6,7,8 are all parts of the vocals. Groups let you put effects on the group, instead of having to add effects to each track individually.
Now, find the delay in cubase, by looking through their list, I'd guess. Add the delay to that track (or group)'s fx bin and start tweaking the delay.
Somewhere in there you should be able to set how many times you want the signal to get returned. And, you should be able to set how much of it comes back, and how long time-wise before it comes in.
All these will affect your vocal result.
I assume CubaseLE has plug-in capability, I think it does, though I've been wrong before =).
Khaerjus has some dandy plugins, that I've used on lots of things.
You may want to download some of them, and try them out.
www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
man, i can never spell their name right =).
Jan 11, 2008 07:19 pm thanks, i have a few other questions, sorry, i just have so much to learn haha. well i was wondering how to get more of a thump out of my bass drum. it doesn't have a port hole though.
Jan 11, 2008 07:21 pm Learning these things takes patience, time and a good pair of ears. The only way to learn about sound and how to reproduce it is through patience and practice.
Understanding music is one discipline, understanding sound is another, and understanding the equipment necessary to reproduce the above two is an entirely different thing.
From the sound of the home page music on Good Charlotte's Web site, they seem to be just another band with a crunchy compressed guitar, which is an easy sound to get if you have advanced knowledge. But you should start with the basics. Read up on some of the articles here. You can find a lot of useful help under the Tips tab at the top of the page.
And if you want advice on how to accurately record a fart, shoot me an email.
Jan 11, 2008 07:23 pm thanks for the input, i was actually wondering about their vocals though.
Jan 11, 2008 07:35 pm Now I'm having another problem, when I am recording drums, I can hear the click track in the recording because it's picking it up through the headphones. but i don't have any other headphones i can use. i have no idea what i caould do???
Jan 11, 2008 07:35 pm My bad [sigh].
I yield the floor to pjk and the rest of my esteemed colleagues.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:36 pm Quote:
well i was wondering how to get more of a thump out of my bass drum
Sample triggering. From what I've read, there are hardly any real standalone drum kicks heard anymore. Most are augmented with triggered samples.
* of course, i'm thinking pop / radio airplay type stuff =) *
You can set software plugins to add a sampled sound everytime your kick hits. This way you still have your playing style, but also have the added BLAM of whatever sample you want.
Or you could just replace it too. Use your playing as a template, and let software do the rest. Drumagog comes to mind, though Reaper has tricks to do this for free. There's even a video tutorial showing you how (with reaper's tools, and one other plugin) on the reaper site.
Or, you could fight with mic placement, room treatment, drummer inconsistencies, poor drum quality, bad heads, etc.
=).
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:38 pm get a metronome or computer screen, that shows the beat with a flash / lightbulb, etc.
This way there's no sound, just light.
If your mic can pick that up, then it's a much better mic than mine =).
My drummer has a click maker that has sound / light / or both. So he can turn off the sound and just have the blinky light.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:40 pm Don't worry Herb, I have song : classical GAS that I'd like to archive for my grandchildren.
What's the best mic to pick up windage.
=)
Jan 11, 2008 07:49 pm I really appreciate your help man. Thanks. I will use your advice. That plug-in site is awesome! I just recorded a drum track, added some EQ and the Limiter and it sounds just how I want it. And I'd bet your mic is better that mine, I just have bad earphones that leak sound. They are sennheiser hd201.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 07:53 pm ah ha! the internet saves the day!
Glad to hear it's working for ya, have fun.
Jan 11, 2008 07:57 pm thanks again ill post the song if i EVER finish it! haha
Jan 11, 2008 08:00 pm Quote:
What's the best mic to pick up windage.
A ribbon. But don't get too close.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jan 11, 2008 08:01 pm ...and borrow someone elses :-)
Jan 11, 2008 08:18 pm I can't find the reaper site you were talking about. hmm..
Jan 11, 2008 08:35 pm never mind i got it. its pretty awesome by the way!
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 11, 2008 09:57 pm cool, i've been pretty partial to it.
and it just keeps getting better =).
Jan 12, 2008 12:27 am Did you buy it? Because I got the trial version.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 12, 2008 11:04 am Yeah, I was using N-track for several years, but it started getting un-stable. I ran across reaper while poking around looking for a replacement. I never upgraded from 3.1, as it was the last stable version, according to many.
I tested Reaper on and off for probably 9 months before I converted over totally. I then footed for the license. That's one cool thing about his (their) licensing. Pay for it when you are using it for real. And if you are using it in a pay-studio, then pay the commercial license.
Oh yeah, the download is the total program. No limiting factors. It just gives you a 5 second nag screen after 30 days.
Jan 12, 2008 12:46 pm ok. i just can't seem to get a good sound out of how i'm recording the drums, mainly the snare...is itr because i'm recording them in a bedroom?
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 12, 2008 01:04 pm Probably a combination: quality of mic, quality of preamp, quality of drum, room treatment. Deadening the room as much as possible may help.
Drums are the hardest to record, and have sound good. Many people will record all their normal tracks local, then go and track the drums in a recording facility.
I cheat, and sequence them. I may start replacing, like I said above, but I haven't quite gotten to it yet.
Jan 12, 2008 01:37 pm I once recorded them in my family's living room and it has a really high ceiling and that was the best sound i've ever gotten, but it's not like i can go do that whenever I want
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 12, 2008 01:41 pm There's your answer then, if you only change the room, and get a much better recording, then that's the factor.
Sounds like some creative planning is in order =).
Jan 12, 2008 01:45 pm Haha, yes definately, what's funny is, now that I have drum mics, I am eager to see what sound I'll get because the "best" recording I have gotten so far was in that room with one overhead mic held up by an extra cymbal stand because i didn't have a boom stand. haha
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jan 12, 2008 01:47 pm Here is the Reaper link for those looking for it
reaper.fm/download.php
Drums need a lot of room to breathe. Recording in your bedroom is probably too small of a room.
Jan 12, 2008 01:55 pm ok thanks, i don't have much access to that room though, so i will only be able to record drums every once in a while, what are your thoughts on a garage?
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 12, 2008 01:57 pm Probably not too good, cement floor, hard objects, not soft, absorbing objects.
Can't say till you try though.
Jan 12, 2008 02:00 pm It has a carpet floor on the side I will be on, but I would have to bring my whole computer down there right?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 12, 2008 05:50 pm On the click track being recorded into the drums track. I am certain it is a routing thing. You probably have the click track routed some how that it is actually being recorded back into the drum track via the sound card or the mixer routing.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 12, 2008 08:59 pm Quote:
but I would have to bring my whole computer down there right?
er, i would think so, unless you can run cables from the garage to your PC setup. Then run back to your PC, press record, then run back to the garage, play, run back to your PC, press stop, etc.
I would think moving the PC would be quicker.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 12, 2008 10:05 pm A stage snake would be my option. And yes, I have recorded drums and other things in a garage, not just mine either.
You can get a smaller snake for a pretty decent price these days. Then you simply need a friend or someone to push the record button and the stop button.
