Building mic's inside tom's
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Posted on Jan 19, 2007 02:33 pm
XXL66
Member Since: Jan 19, 2007
Hi,
I'm considering building my mic's inside my toms (like the DW MAY system).
I have used my Sonor 12" Delite tom and placed 2 Audix D2 Mics on it. 1 inside and the other outside.
These have been recorded together:
users.telenet.be/u146962/inside.mp3
users.telenet.be/u146962/outside.mp3
pics:
They inside sound has much more attack but somekind of "beachball" effect.
I have tweaked the inside with some EQ and this way i like it better.
users.telenet.be/u146962/inside_EQ.mp3
This is recorded using a firepod and cubase.
What do you guys think, wich do you prefer ?
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CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Jan 19, 2007 03:02 pm I love the tone of the inside mic. Both together (as the outside is thuddier) would probably sound fantastic, got a mix of that? But yeah, I'd be totally happy with just the mic on the inside.
I like this idea alot and it also re-affirms my wanting of some D2's and D4's. Where did you get that bracket for mouting the mic inside? I'm assuming it's cutom as to mount to the screws already there. Can you make me some, I'd like to try!!
Anyway, great job, it looks very clean and professional. And also, great tone!!
Oh yeah, what brand of cables are those? Love the angle thing they got going on.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 19, 2007 10:10 pm Hey nice set up indeed. Ya the problem with interior mounting is getting it set in just the right spot to avoid the ring or beach ball effect you are talking about. Most times it can be overcome with simply aiming the might slightly different. Try moving it around a little bit to see if you can rid yourself of the ring. In some instances it is just the nature of the tom shell that causes the ring to be picked up by the mounted mic as the shell now transfers its natural ring to the mic via the bracket. Not at all a bad thing when the two mic's are mixed together and EQ'd with a littl TLC.
XXL66Member
Since: Jan 19, 2007
Jan 20, 2007 02:17 am At CptTripps: if you have a metalsaw and drill you can easely make them yourself. It's just from a strip of aluminium 20mmx2mm that has been bend. Cables are made custom too. I just need to find a way to place the connection outside. i'm not gonna drill in my toms.
At Noize2u: I have done several setup's the one on the picture was even more beach ball effect. The one from the mp3 the mic was placed much further from the head. I am waiting for the correct bolts to connect the mic holder. If i recieve them i'm gonna put rubber washers between the bracket to isolate it more.
However it's not my intension to use 2 mic's for each tom. This is just for convenience at gig's. You can't hit the mic's, just plug it in, less crosstalk.
I guess the larger the tom the less beach ball effect. I have to wait and see.
I also tried just using 1 head but this does not avoid that beach ball effect. And 1 head didn't sounded good at all (dead-flat).
I have also made some test's placing the D6 mic inside and outside in different positions for the kickdrum:
users.telenet.be/u146962/kick.mp3
These are 2 sets of 8 positions, first set is more dampening inside kick.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 20, 2007 05:52 pm I have to agree that the rubber washers will really help a great deal to isolate the mic. I would think it will change the sound a good deal as well. The sound is stellar really once the ring is under control.
As for the kick sound's, are you mounting the mic near the top pointing at the beater or is it on the side or bottom? I have noticed on a few rigs like that I have seen that bottom mounting seems to dampen more of the shell sound. Maybe because of its closeness to the floor. The best ones I have heard were mounted on the side or upper side of the shell. I honestly don't know why that would make a big difference but it apparently did. Otherwise they sound pretty good, some of them were a little too clicky for my taste though. But it is all personal taste when it comes to the sound.
Jan 20, 2007 06:45 pm The 'beach ball effect' is usually the result of unequal lug tension on one or both heads, or an out-of-round shell.
There are a few schools of thought on tuning two-headed drums. One says to tune the bottom head a fourth or a fifth higher than the top head. Another suggests the opposite. Some say they should be tuned in unison. Well, as a veteran of over 20 years of tuning drums, my opinion is there is no hard and fast rule, and it all comes down to your ears and what pleases them.
Drums with two heads are a challenge to get along with, especially when you put a mic inside the damn thing that scrutinizes all your errors. But that can be a good thing too. Try turning the lugs as you listen to the drum's mic through headphones. This may help to deflate the 'beach ball'.
You can also experiment with an Eggo waffle (thawed), duct taped to the bottom head. :]
H.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 20, 2007 11:04 pm Herb, I have to admit in all my years I have never even thought about putting an Ego waffle on a drum to dampen it.
Jan 20, 2007 11:22 pm I was referring to an Eggo waffle.
But an Ego waffle.. hmm... I'm trying to get a visual on that. Whatever they are, I'm sure there are plenty of them to go around... I'm sure that Freud did a paper on them!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 20, 2007 11:42 pm Whatever, Eggo, Ego there all the same. Maybe try an IHOP pancake, my daughter works there.
I'm not sure I could play drums all night with breakfast attached to them.
Jan 20, 2007 11:51 pm Hey, if your daughter is as hot as you are, just let me know which IHOP she works at, and I'll be there.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 21, 2007 12:08 am www.homerecordingconnecti...photos&id=5
5th row down far right picture. Not a very good picture of here but you get the idea. She's the one sitting between dB and Geoff, with Tuna hanging over her head and Ray in the recliner.
Jan 21, 2007 12:14 am If I could stop laughing long enough to type...
Yes, your daughter is hot...
Tuna is exactly as I pictured him...
And the look on Dan's face is PRICELESS!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 21, 2007 12:18 am And she's not working tonight so you're out of luck there. You'll notice I'm not really that hot either, although some frumpy woman was looking me over as if I were a lolipop at the grocery store today. Tuna gave her the stink eye though and scared her off.
Jan 21, 2007 12:43 am stink eye n. a facial expression of doubt, distrust, or dislike; a dirty look; skunk eye, the hairy eyeball.
