Sep 28, 2005 12:25 am Sounds pretty good.
How crappy does this sound?
Posted on Sep 27, 2005 11:59 pm
Marcus D
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Member Since: Nov 24, 2004
I am setting up a new DAW and testing some things out. Please forgive some of the sour notes. These are just the first few verses.. vocal, guitar and drum track.
I'm just looking for overall feedback and critique as I begin to zero in on how to get the most out of this setup. Cubase SE, FL Studio 5, SB Audigy2, MXL 990, Mic200 preamp.
www.uniquesupport.net/marcus/Songs/Pending2.mp3
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Sep 28, 2005 12:37 am too much reverb some where and those drums need nicing up try to open it out a lil more, i don't know if u could do this in fruity or what ever u using but on the HHat, raise the heighest end of the hights and low down the mids of it till it sound more open to u .....i don't know if someone else will hear different from me i am listening in a headphones anyway..but personally i wont use those drums for that, i would use a rounder less muddy bass drum and a rimbshot or a finger snap instead of that electric snare.....u got a nice natural voice by the way
Sep 28, 2005 02:03 am for drum samples may i suggest Ns_Kit7free (which are royalty free)
www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit7freedownload.html
The ones you are using now dont sound to good.
And you should get a new sound card if your serious about music. a EMU 1212m would do you fine
www.zzounds.com.../item--EMU1212M
Sep 28, 2005 10:34 am Thanks for the feedback gang. There is such a great group of people on this site!
P, I've been looking at a Delta 44. Would that do that same job as an EMU?
Sep 28, 2005 10:59 am i know i am not P, but its accord for what u want to do, if u want to be able to just record 2 tracks at a time and plus have midi the audiophile 2496 service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear will be good or this service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear ....if u want to be able to record up to 4 the delta 44 will be good but it doesn't have midi ins or outs if u want....blessed
Sep 28, 2005 03:22 pm anything EMU, Delta, or M-audio will be fine.. it really boils down to personal prefferance so untill you start trying different sound cards you wont really know.. Ive been using Soundblaster2 and im making a new DAW soon and i decided to choose EMU thats only reason why i suggested it.
Sep 28, 2005 03:48 pm dB's been having good luck with the Juli@ card. I've had the delta (1010LT) that I was happy with.
Sep 28, 2005 05:05 pm Well mostly I will only be recording guitar and vocal with the inputs, software for drum programming and use a slave midi keyboard for all the rest of my instrumentation and overdubs.
Whadya think?
Sep 28, 2005 07:56 pm More on the song...there seems to be a spot towards the end where the vocals get some digital distortion (or mic overload, not really sure). Also, I don't really like the reverb on the vocals. Not sure what it is. For the drums, a rim click with some nice reverb would go awesome with this song. Also, maybe put in a bass line after a verse or something. Sorry if Im being to critical, just wanna let ya know what I think.
Sep 28, 2005 09:20 pm Marcus, I'm gonna agree with Minkus on it sounding good. The drums dont sound half bad here at all. I kinda like that simple thud kick sound with the tune you have going there. I will agree though that the highhat needs to be brought up in the mix a little bit. I am guessing you will have to deal with that in Fruity though.
The guitar could also stand to be fattened up a bit as well. Are you micing it or recording it direct? If going direct, try micing it at the same time. Record the direct to one track and the mic to another track. Then tweak then together to get an even fuller sound. You may find you will need a bit of EQ to do this.
As for the vox, I like your voice on there for sure. The reverb, maybe just lighten it up a bit, not as much on the wet side. Blend it a little with the uneffected vocal and it should smooth it out a bit.
Sep 28, 2005 11:06 pm Josh, not critical.. I want honest feedback. You're talking good stuff, thank you!
Noize, unfortunately I don't have a pickup in that guitar. I bought it at Media Play, in a box, for $120. I am going to get one put in though. I LOVE the idea of mic and direct recording to fatten up the sound. That is genius!
I'ts amazing how these little simple tricks that are old hat to many seasoned musicians, light a new fire under greenhorns like me. And on and on and on.. That's why I love music.. even though there are only so many notes in a scale, the adventure of discovery never ends.
Thanks for the vocal tips too.
Sep 28, 2005 11:37 pm Marcus, then maybe rather then add a pickup do you have a second mic available? Put one mic out from the sound hole, probably your 990, then have another about twelve frets up from the sound hole pointing at the end of the neck just before the sound hole. This will pick up some string sounds.
Otherwise, I would maybe do a second guitar track and mix those two together with one EQ'd just a bit differant. And maybe a tiny bit of differant panning to add some distance.
Sep 29, 2005 12:01 am where u crying when u started recording? cause in yuh profiles it says "i started 10 tears ago" lol
Sep 29, 2005 07:37 pm Noize, great advice! I might try both just to get a feel for some differences.
General.. huh?
Sep 29, 2005 08:46 pm "Member Profile
Marcus D - Since Nov 24, 2004
I am a singer/songwriter. I started 10 tears ago with a Tascam 424 and a Korg 01w"
thats whats in your profile.
Sep 29, 2005 09:48 pm Marcus, I'll be curious to see what you come up with then.
Later
Sep 30, 2005 11:05 am General.. yes, that is true but I am still confused. Are you trying to ask me a question.. or make a statement.. or..? I guess I'm just not sure where you are going with this, but I am an open book. If you wanna know something, just ask.
Sep 30, 2005 11:08 am he was just pointing out a typo in your profile, kinda funny actually.
Sep 30, 2005 11:11 am Duh.. I got it. Sorry General, I really did not understand what you were saying, and I read that like... 20 times.
I promise I'm usually not this slow!
So.. I guess this would make around my 11th tear. :)
Sep 30, 2005 11:17 am Yet another visitor made slower by the fine folks at HRC :-D
Sep 30, 2005 10:46 pm Great voice man! Wow, how happy I'd be if that came out of my mouth every time I opened it. Its funny, you remind me of a singer that I just discovered this week: the guy from Antony and the Jonsons. Well, at times at least, with that wonderful vibrato.
I don't think that the drum samples themselves are that bad, although they could use some attention to make them a bit more attractive. Some EQ will do wonders for the snare and kick. Some compression on them wouldn't hurt either, at least for punching them up a bit. And some subtle reverb will put some polish on them and set them back in the mix a bit.
Great start, how about posting the whole thing?
Oct 01, 2005 02:58 am Indeed a great voice. The drums don't sound bad to me, though the suggestions Tad gave would really help them sit better in the mix and take the dryness away. Fattening up the acoustic either with double mic'ing or double tracking would really help help everything sound more balanced, right now it has a very mono sound and the guitar is a bit thin.
I think the song and your singing are excellent and I'm with Tad I'd like to hear the whole song finished up. :)
Dan
Oct 02, 2005 07:20 pm Man guys, great feedback! This truly is the best of all the other similar sites. People here are so much more helpful and down to earth.
Not to knock anyone else, but many of the other sites seem to have regular folks on there that are.. let's just say "too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good."
Tad and dog, thanks for the input. I have seen many of your other post on here and have a high opinion of your views. (You too Noize!) But I also appreciate the fact that everyone took the time to give some pointers and critiques.
Ok, I am what they call a "strong starter" and don't have anything else to this particular song yet, and have moved on to another one that I probably wont finish. I REALLY need to work on that!
I'm thinking about taking some theory classes and buying some recording books. (I know this is not an overnight process, but..) I really want to know, instinctively, how and where to EQ the drums as Tad mentioned... give each instrument the sonic space it needs to be "the star" of that frequency.. use compression where, and on what is needed.. "reverb to fall back in the track" etc.
I know the most important tools in the toolbox are a good ear and experience. I have the first, and I know the second with come naturally.. I just want to make the direction between A & B a straight line so it can be the shortest distance and the most efficient.
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