1/4 Phono to 1010lt
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Posted on Jul 18, 2005 04:44 pm
chex81
Cheese
Member Since: Jul 21, 2004
Hi guys, quick question.
I rented a mixer as I am about to record drums this week. The mixers output in 4 channels is only 1/4" Phono. There is an option of using mic, but thats only 2 outputs.
Anyway, my problem is I am running the mixer into a 1010lt. I realized that the 1010lt only has 1 mic I/O, and the rest I believe are analog RCA (if im not mistaken).
The only solution I can think of is buying a split 1/4" in, RCA out. Is this my only option, or am i missing something? Thanks
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pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jul 19, 2005 09:01 am Musician friend has hosa snakes, I bought an 8 channel for my mixer / 1010lt. It has 8 colored 1/4" mono jacks on one end, and 8 colored RCA jacks on the other end.
Bee's Knees.
The 1010lt has 2 mic inputs, both are run through a preamp on the card. You wouldn't want to run a mixer channel (already preamped) into the channel 1 or 2 on the 1010lt, you'd be pre-amping it twice. I'd say (and have done) only use the channels 3 through 8 for your drums, leave the other two alone when using the mixer. Or you could just plug 2 mics into channel 1 and 2, and the mixer outs to the 1010lt 3 - 8. I've done this as well.
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 19, 2005 10:45 am I see what you're saying.
But my problem is the mixer only supports 1/4" for output, and the 1010lt only supports RCA for 3-8. How do I hook up the 1/4"(from the mixer) to the RCA(1010)? I don't want to go directly into the mic inputs because I want to control the levels through the mixer.
Is my only option to get 4 seperate channels to get a 1/4" in, RCA out split for each set of cords?
Jul 19, 2005 10:49 am You buy (or make) 1/4" to RCA cables...or am I missing something beyond that simple solution?
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 19, 2005 11:03 am Ok, I have no clue how to make 1/4" to RCA...I searched through our local music shop and didn't see any when we went to pick up the mixer. That's why I was hoping there might be another option...but I guess there isn't.
Jul 19, 2005 11:06 am Well, you can order some cables, or liekly get some at your local electronic store, radio shack (if you have one of those) or a similar store...
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 19, 2005 11:08 am Ya, I guess Radio shack would be the best bet. That is where I found my almost impossible cable converters.
Thanks dB and pjk
Jul 19, 2005 11:09 am Good luck, maybe pick up a soldering iron instead, some cable and jacks and learn to make then, very easy actually, and handy when you need weird cables.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jul 19, 2005 11:28 am that's why I mentioned the hosa snake.
take peeky here:
service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
that would do, but you'd have to wait a few days to get it. good cable.
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 21, 2005 08:47 am Well, after visiting 4 stores (Future Shop, Best Buy, Long & Mcquade's Music store and Circuit City Shop) I found the converters I needed. I was hoping they had 1/4" in and 2 RCA out (for stereo L & R). However, all they had were 1/4" input to 1 RCA output. We picked up a couple of these.
Since I am only using one channel on the soundcard for each track, I decided to go MONO instead of Stereo. On Cubase SX, Stereo requires 2 channels (L & R) where as MONO obviously only requires one.
Will recording in Mono cause any sound issues when I begin editing and mixing the drums? We tested our first set up and the output was in Stereo...and it sounds fine. I just want to make sure i'm not setting myself up for issues later on.
Jul 21, 2005 08:50 am I record everything (almost everything) in mono...the mixing in panning of all the mono sources create the stereo image
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 21, 2005 09:10 am Great dB.
I just read the drum recording tips on HRC, nice little details and info.
Thanks a lot guys. When I have a song done, I'll upload it.
chex81CheeseMember
Since: Jul 21, 2004
Jul 25, 2005 09:22 am Ok, well my friend and I did some sound testing this past weekend.
We through the active direct box on the Bass drum, which gave it an excellent "Punch" sound. The snare also sounds great, after we got rid of the ringing sound by applying tap on the edge.
However, we aren't too happy with the overheads. There is just too much echoing in the background, and it makes the drums sound like a garage sound rather than studio sound. I am pretty sure it has to do with the room we're recording in, but I wish I didn't take the recommendation of 4 mic setup Bass/Snare/2 OH's. I would have much rather Bass/Snare/Toms,Ride,Crash/OH.
So I moved one OH down to avoid catching the echoes...which works a little, but not as good as I hoped. We only have this week left to record the drums (equipment due back Sat, going on vacation next Wed).
Any suggestions on how to cut out the echoing using an OH mic? I know it seems silly, but we have to work with what we got.
Thanks
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Jul 25, 2005 02:58 pm If you think it's the room, you could try hanging some sound deadening material (blankets, curtains, winter coats, foam pad, etc.) around the kit to "isolate" it from the environment. Also, be sure your EQ is flat and you're not using any effects while you're recording. Do that later in the mix.
After that, if your "echo" is still there, and the sound of it is at, say, 76dB on your meters, and the lowest drum sound is at, say, 42dB, you could use a "gate" effect, or an "expander" effect to cut out the low-level noise of the echo between drum hits. However, those do have a tendency to make things sound artificial, and can leave behind artifact that sounds worse than the echo, due to the fact that the technique would be similar to cutting-off reverb tails. You will lose that nice cymbal-hit fade, also...
Jul 30, 2005 04:39 pm Back to the beginning, if you have a good pre-amp you can set the 1&2 inputs to line level (+4dbu) via a switch on the pci board. I'm sure the mic pre's are pretty good, but theres no phantom power for condensers.
