triggers??

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*sticado: short and LOUD!*
Member Since: Feb 25, 2005

can you use triggers on drums with out a module?

my friend told me that it'll work but i dont get how it would if it doesnt pick up sound.

can you record a MIDI sound (like a bass drum) and use triggers to activate that sound when the trigger senses it?

(sorry if im not explaining this well)

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...bringing sexy back
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Since: Jul 01, 2002


Jun 05, 2005 07:27 pm

you can use a midi trigger to activate a sample, in this case of a drum sound, yeah. the triggers would be midi triggers so the sound the drum makes would be irrelevant. whatever sound you have set for it to trigger will play.

make sense?

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 06, 2005 11:27 am

yep...ya can bring a laptop, ahem notebook, on stage and pull the soundguy aside, and say "i need just one more channel"....

it's hard to convey accents and context in words...heh it sounded funny to me.

*sticado: short and LOUD!*
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Since: Feb 25, 2005


Jun 07, 2005 05:14 am

Basically i just wanted to know if a drum module was required for a sound because i dont want to buy one (cuz im poor). my left foot isnt as strong as my right so i wanted to make the kick not sound so weak when i use my double pedal on drums.

Are you sure i cant make the sounds on sonar?

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


Jun 07, 2005 09:32 am

you need a module. i tried to get around it as well. sonar has midi sequencing but you still need something to convert the signal from the triggers.

a used alesis dm 5 will be your best bet. you can score it under $200 used. i dont like it. it only has a stereo out so you need to adjust all parameters inside the box before you send it to the mix. to me this defeats the point of what i wanted to do. the DDRUM module is like $800 and has and out for every channel.

ultimately i dont like triggers. they can accomadate for bad drummers(only to a slight degree)and bad room sounds but only to a degree. triggers are touch sensitive so if you hit them softly on alternating hits (like dbl bass) you will still hear the difference when triggered. if your drumming sucks, triggers wont help you.

practice with you left foot. with all recordings performance is more important than gear or mix down tricks. play it right.......one more reason to hate pro tools.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 07, 2005 10:25 am

Can't triggers set a MIDI note in Sonar and have that MIDI note trigger any old softsynth sample? I am pretty sure Noize2u does that all the time...also, you can then turn down the velocity sensitivity so the alternating hits are not as much different, but then, don't turn velocity off completely cuz then every hit would sound the same, which gives a very nasty, mechanical feel to the sound...

Ya wanna strengthen your leg, jump rope and do squats for 10-15 minutes a day...jumping rope is GREAT for your calves and squats, if done right, will really work your thighs...that what I do before MMA training and my leg strength is MUCH better than this time last year.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 07, 2005 11:17 am

i've found that most drum trigger companys don't send raw MIDI data through standard MIDI cables and interfaces....i've messed with D-Drum triggers, and they used a prapriatary (sp?) connector to connect the actual triggers to the module...i've also seen 'em with 1/4" outs, again, to run to THEIR module....i'd be nice to see triggers with strait up midi outputs, but i have yet to see or read of any.

crazy canuck
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Since: Nov 25, 2004


Jun 07, 2005 01:04 pm

Two part answer:

I have a buddy who is an amazing drummer and what he did to strengthen his legs for double kick was tape 5 lb flat weights on the sides of his legs. He played with them on for a month or so and when he removed them his leg control and power were improved ten fold.

If you are still interested in triggering, I have used a plugin before called drumagog. Basically, you would record your drum tracks normally, then apply drumagog on each drum channell separately. You can set a threshold, attack and release so that it picks up any waveform above a certain level and triggers a sound that you want. It will also end up sounding very mechanical though...but it is an option.

*sticado: short and LOUD!*
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Since: Feb 25, 2005


Jun 07, 2005 02:52 pm

hey josh er wutever... ive only talked to u one other time a long time ago and ur advise is good but ur attitude towards other ppl that play drums (or at least me) sucks ***.

i can get the same advise from people without the bad attitude. please re-read wut ur writing to me next time and think of wut the other reader is going think of or just dont reply to any of my threads. i dont mean to sound like an *** too but ur advice is the only thing i want; not what ur unsupported opinions are.

also (i dont mean to sound arrogant but) ive been playing drums since i was 3 and i know that my drumming doesnt SUCK. once i can get my mixes to sound good, ill pay to get on hear and let u listen to my bands songs.
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anywho... i ALL i want is my kick to be even, everything else is fine so, thats all i would use a trigger for. plus, u can change the sensitivity to were the triggers arent touch sensitive.

thanks for the excersizing advise dB

(sry for the abreviations. im in a rush)

thanks u guys

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


Jun 08, 2005 09:48 am

comprehend english much?

i re_read it nine times and their is absolutely no display of a bad attitude whatsoever. I never said your drumming sucks, i said IF since you where the one who mentioned having less power with your left foot.

there is a new advertisemnt from mackie designs about there simple pc software that says "if your music sucks, it will still suck, but you'll create it a whole lot faster" go bust mackies balls for being an a-hole.

please read the text that is in front of you and dont put your own meaning behind it.

And in the effort of getting midi samples without a module i wonder where noize2u is with his 2 cents on what db mentioned since i am curious to know about it.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 08, 2005 09:52 am

noize2u is busy as hell the last week or two, I've spoken with him on the phoine once or twice, he is working 60 hour+ weeks...so him not being around isn't a surprise.

That said, what WYD said may be right, he may use the trigger with one of his drum modules, I don't know, I just know he ultimately winds up with MIDI drums from trigger a live drum...

I didn't really see josh's post as inflametory myself, however, I will also say, josh, you usually do bring a very bad vibe with you, so he may be calling you out on the sum of statement, not just one...

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 08, 2005 02:02 pm

props to noize for keepin' buzy!!!

that's my goal.

*sticado: short and LOUD!*
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Since: Feb 25, 2005


Jun 09, 2005 07:22 pm

sorry josh i was pissed off all day that day... but the last time u replied to one of my threads, u pissed me off about how bad my kit was and all and when u said, "ultimately i dont like triggers. they can accomadate for bad drummers(only to a slight degree)and bad room sounds..." it set me off for some reason.

but i was thinkin. if i record a kick sound that ive mad with my kick and save it as MIDI. can i make it to were the trigger uses that sound every time i hit the kick?

i really want to find a way to get around buying a module. i ONLY want it for the kick.

crazy canuck
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Since: Nov 25, 2004


Jun 10, 2005 08:30 am

Have you looked at the plugin called "Drumagog" that I mentioned? I think this is your solution. Check it out.


Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 10, 2005 11:16 am

if you record your kick you have to save it as an audio file (.wav,.aiff,.mp3) then you use a software sampler to 'trigger' that sound file to play....midi signals are the data that tells the sampler when to play a certian sample. ya see? =o)

i say, if you're only usin' it for the kick, i'd get an outboard machine with one or two D-Drum triggers....just make sure the module is compatable with the triggers....and go to a store and try out drum machines and audition their kick samples, also look for a handy feature like a disk drive or something that will allow you to import more samples (perhaps .wav's from your PC. no?

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