Mar 08, 2005 03:40 pm I actually switched consoles and ordered the Behringer MX9000.
Has anyone used this mixing console?
Posted on Feb 22, 2005 05:12 pm
Gregor
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Mar 08, 2005 03:40 pm I actually switched consoles and ordered the Behringer MX9000.
Mar 08, 2005 03:46 pm That behringer mx9000 would be real cool if it had MIDI support and motorized faders.
Mar 08, 2005 03:49 pm MIDI support? In a mixing console? What would anyone needs that for, all the MIDI handling shouldbe done long before the console ever comes in to play...
Mar 08, 2005 04:02 pm yeah I am confused...
Behringers digital mixer has motorized faders
Mar 08, 2005 04:05 pm Motorized faders ups the price of the console substantially...
Mar 08, 2005 04:11 pm Motorized faders are geared towards those who arent satisfied with the blinking lights and buttons so its cool to watch stuff move on its own :)
I personally would rather not have them, it doesnt make a difference and I would rather move them myself anyhow
Mar 08, 2005 04:12 pm It also ups the chance of something else going wrong with it and having to get it fixed. I'll take an analog mixer any day. Digital mixers just aren't for me.
Mar 08, 2005 04:15 pm Yeah I was thinking that also...but my public school education only allows me to type so many characters
Mar 08, 2005 04:15 pm Obviously coming from a guy that hasn't had to run four band in one night very often. ;-)
It's very handy to be able to sound check all four before the show, then have the mixer remember the settings so between bands you just have to hit a button to move them into place.
Mar 08, 2005 04:17 pm pen and a pad, thats all I did...adjust between sets and go from there...of course the job I did wasn't exactly complex...
**Edit...6 channels I think it was
Mar 08, 2005 04:19 pm QUOTE: "all the MIDI handling should be done long before the console ever comes in to play"
I disagree. Its nice to record everything and then have the MIDI motorized faders assigned to each track so you can quickly edit track's volumes, panning, etc....So when you open a track, the faders automatically move to the right position and be edited simply.
I guess you could go with something like this if you want motorized faders:
www.zzounds.com...F2000/view--Top
Now is it going to make your mix come out better? Probably not. You "might" be able to fine tune track's volumes better because your going off of touch instead of relying on moving the mouse. Is it a necessity? Absolutely not.
Is it cool to look at? yes it is! Will people who come to your studio, and see the faders automatically move, be impressed? I was blown away the first time I seen it, lol.
Mar 08, 2005 04:21 pm I bet...I would be...I'd be worried about one of them going out or shorting and looking like the last shot out of a roman candle
Mar 08, 2005 04:21 pm I guess I can see that for given situations, but I would think that most computer based studios do the automation in the software, not the mixer.
I'm with the other guys, it's one of those things that can be done easily elsewhere, and the more crap you have in any analog hardware device the more there is to break...but, eh, everybody has their different methods...all roads lead to Rome.
Mar 08, 2005 04:23 pm Which was the basis of my reply, not live...
I've done one live show...can't exactly chalk me up as an experience live app guy...
Mar 08, 2005 04:24 pm Quote:
Get an umbrella!..dB's coming!
Not sure exactly what that is supposed to mean, but I hope it's not an insult :-)
Mar 08, 2005 04:31 pm A question:
Who am I to insult anyone?
Better yet, why would I the site admin?
No one and no reason...its a play off what usually happens when I post...
**Its changed along with my profile...
Mar 08, 2005 05:05 pm I can't wait till my new mixer comes in!!! I'm excited!All those flashing LEDs, all thos faders and inputs!! YES! :)
Mar 08, 2005 05:13 pm lol...good stuff...can't pass up the new gear smell tho...
**Cue Homer Simpson voice**
mmmmmmmmmmmmm, Geeeeeaarrr
Mar 09, 2005 04:57 pm I really do like my MX9000. Real versitle mixer and a great 24 channel recording board per direct outs on all channels. As per other comments it obviously dosn't have onyx pre's, but for detailed work a 2ch tube pre does the trick for me.
It would be a hoot if the board doubled as a midi based control surface as per Isbel, but if it did I would not get off that kind of money for it.
Try the Behringer controler prior to buying it if you can. The faders are motorized but not touch sensitive. I have not used one but a few of my customers have complained that it is 'jumpy' as they do not send any information until moved.
Dec 16, 2008 11:32 am Hehh.. this is a very old topic, but the same problema that I have...
I CANNOT FIND ANY ANALOGUE STYLE MIXING CONSOLE WITH MIDI CAPABILITY!!
However it would be the most useable stuff in software sequencer music-composing (like in Reason 4.0).
You can choose from plenty of analogue mixers, dozens of digital mixers, and many of mixing consoles with firewire card... but you cannot find a MIDI machine controll functioned analogue mixers with the same faders. :-/
If somebody says it's useless, try mixing with faders, or try mixing with your PCkeyboard+mouse.. Which one is better/comfortable/enjoyable??
Dec 16, 2008 12:35 pm Am I missing something? Midi signal from PC\etc. -> Mixer. Control signal with the mixer.
Dec 16, 2008 04:35 pm No, You don't. Show me a mixing console, which looks like an Allen & Heath ZED 14 (analogue mixer), but the faders and knobs can be use as assigned MIDI controllers e.g. in Reason 4 software.
So if I'm turning a knob, or moving a fader, it can be seen on the screen.
? That's what I'm searching for...
Dec 16, 2008 04:57 pm Ok, how about a mixer with Midi coming into an analogue channel from a computer. And also a USB midi controller (linked below) plugged into the PC. They would be seperate, but sounds like it would do what you want and would be cheaper than getting a digital board. Am I way off base on this?
keyboards-midi.musiciansf...tion?sku=701523
Dec 16, 2008 09:21 pm Take a look at the Mackie Control as well.
If your simply looking to automate Reason then there are tons of controllers out there. You don't need an analog mixer to run Reason.
Dec 17, 2008 12:46 am Yeah I've spent many nights on the net to look around among consoles and controllers (or hibrids). I now almost each of them.
The MIDI controllers with motorized faders is not needed, but this feature makes them expensive, however the other parts are neglected, not so sophisticated (BCF2000 - try it). There are controlles like Projectmix I/O, which would be the top with 12 or more fader, and more screwable knobs, but it's more a cockpit for video/mastering tools, than a helping hand during making music on many channels.
Of course there is e.g. SSL Matrix but with a lot of things which is unnecessary for my home studio, as I don't have band, just a few live instrument which can be connected via firewire interface. And it's 25000$. :)
There is almost one which should be OK, but the Allen & Heath ZED R16
www.allen-heath.co.uk/zed/zed-R16.asp
which the one 'n' only analogue mixer console with MIDI control, but only 16 faders and the MIDI section knobs are using this advantage. Of course, because this is an analogue mixer.. but not for small home studios.
With Reason, you can use a virtual rackmount with unlimited number of virtual sequencers/instruments/mixing consoles. Sometimes I use for my ambient-electronica sounds more then 20 channels.. just like in a real studio. Tha advantage, that you don't need plugging cables everywhere, just virtually.. but maybe you no this software. And to control the virtual mixer when I'm playing MIDI instruments.. nothing would be simple but a look-like analogue mixer which can be used as MIDI controller.
Which could be assignable any of sequencer-softwares. Like UC-33e or Kenton ControlFreak etc.
These MIDI controllers were also good but they are out-of-date these days, I mean hard to find them and small-format DJ mixers.
Now you have some of small or very expensive MIDI controllers/tons of analogue mixers/dozens of firewire bundled analogue consoles...
But I think these kind of controller is a lack of the market but many of us would be happy with that at home. And it wouldn't have big price, coz nothing should be developed for that.
I hope you understand what I was writing about and thanks for reading!
Dec 17, 2008 12:58 pm I guess I don't understand the question anymore. You seem to know what you need and what is available.
Also, did you say it's hard to find the UC33e or just that it's too outdated for your usage? Cause zzounds has them in stock.
Dec 17, 2008 01:23 pm Sorry if I was not clear.
In a nutshell, I need a midi controller which looks like a normal analogue mixer console. So that I could handle and control my DAW softwares easily, like it would be an analogue studio. It means every faders & knobs would be assignable and capable for midi control.
There is NO console like this in the world right now.. Maybe the Yamaha N12, but it has a much higher price because it's a digital mixer console. If it was a midi controller (neither more, nor less) I think it would be a hot stuff on the market, for one-man home studios.
The other controllers I've found (and was mentioned by you or me... UC-33e, BCF2000 etc.) are rather DJ mixers than mixing/mastering consoles. They are small with not enough faders and knobs. But they have many push-buttons, sometimes more than enough. Anyway these were not design for mastering.
I have a feeling that the music hardware factories don't know what is exactly needed for home studios nowadays. And you buy their stuff not because it's good for the softwares, but because you cannot buy anything else.
Dec 17, 2008 06:14 pm So again, and I don't mean to sound rude, but you are not really asking a question.
You know what you want, you know it's not available at a price you can afford, and the gear in your price range is not enough, right?
If you feel like venting, that's cool, but I've been trying to help you because I thought you had a question and really you already knew the answer.
Dec 17, 2008 06:31 pm Hey hey... :) I appreciate it! I'm just here maybe somebody will read this other than ourselves, and maybe know something that I do not.
Yes I have surfed on the net among the tons of mixing consoles, but if I knew for sure everything, I wouldn't be here.
So thanks again!
Something I've found now and is almost what I need:
Edirol M-16DX
Dec 17, 2008 10:50 pm Lipaz, 20 channels is nothing really. I get into productions that require 3 or 4 or more at times.
I have no problems working and automating huge projects on smaller controller's at all. You can't run 32 fader's and 20o knobs all at once anyway.
Most of the good controller unit's have what are called scenes. You simply switch between scenes to control different channels and different function's. It is a piece of cake.
I run many software synthes in my DAW all at once and never have any issues that need a huge console to control all at once.
You will find that to do what you want is not going to be cheap at all. That amount of control will cost very much.
And the Edirol unit is almost what you need?
So which is it you want to control, your DAW or Reason? I'm just a bit confused here now as well.
Dec 18, 2008 03:51 am The softwares in your computer-based DAW. However it could help to connect your 1-5 instruments or MIC to your copmuter. Which is the heart of your DAW.
I don't think that a 12 or 16 channel is "huge". Such an analogue consol with digital effects and many I/O-s costs around 380 USD. I don't think it would be much more expensive with less MIC and jack inputs (because it's not for a band) but with MIDI machine control function (because you want to control Reason, Cubase, Sonar etc.).
If it was a reliable good audio interface in that, nothing more should I wish. It could be an option for those who are able to spend extra for that. It's not necessary, but an advantage for those who want to keep everything in one controller.
Yes, with scene control you could multiple the channels you want to control at the same time in your software mixer. Wouldn't be good if it's a little bit bigger 12-channel instead of 6 or 8?
Sometimes in my projects I use 3 virtual mixers, which means around 40 channels in Reason.
Why? Because I think like big studios... in my room. But I cannot accommodate a room-sized 48 channel mixer physically. Actually I don't have to because virtually they are in my computer. But I want to control them not with my mouse and PC keyboard (remember more than 10 memorized push buttons) but with an analogue MIDI mixing-console, which isn't bigger as 16-channel console.
It's still about a small (but not tiny) analogue controller which looks like a mixing console but it's able to behave as a MIDI controller with all the faders and knobs, which are supported with MIDI-learn function of softwares like Reason or Cubase. For home studios which built around Mac/PC virtual studios with virtual instruments, but capable for 1-2 MIC or 1-2 real instruments.
I think it's not to much, I think it wouldn't be more expensive than 600USD. Because for sure it doesn't require new development, manufacturing method. Just a little imagination and perspective.. of the manufacturers.
I don't think it's so hard to imagine and understand why it's comfortable and cheap, and would bue a big bang on the market. :)
If you like your controller now.. yes you can because you are used to it and there is nothing else to choose. But if you could taste a controller like this you would love it as I love the huge mixing consoles on concerts, that's for sure.
I know how it inspires the creative desire.. in a home studio with big plans but small budgets it would double this desire...
Dec 18, 2008 10:32 pm I'll say it one more time then.
Mackie Control, take a look at it.
Dec 19, 2008 03:02 am Yes, I know mackie control even with the extender, but compare these:
www.mackie.com/products/mcupro/index.html
against
www.allen-heath.com/zed/
(And imagine this last one without digi-effects, fewer inputs and full MIDI control.)
That's what I'm talking about.
In that case I've written to all the console-manufacturers I know. If I get an answer I'll let you know.
And at last, a good example:
Edirol M-16DX is digital mixer with 8-channel and an audio interface. It wasn't a MIDI-controller. Edirol has given a free-downloadable "version 2" software for that, and now it can control these software I mentioned several times. Now this M-16DX is available for 260 USD (with the audio interface).
1. How much would it be with a moderner firewire interface and with true faders and real 16-channels? Even if they triple the price, I would buy it happily.
2. If a digital mixer can be upgraded to MIDI-controller with a software downloadable for free, why the other manufacturers don't do this?
Because they want to sell their old products, and you buy it because you cannot do anything else. Mackie control is a very pure controller physically, however the inner is well developed.
So thank you really once more your help! You helped a lot (not with the suggestions but you made me thinking of this kind of problem). I hope I'll get at least one normal answer in the next few months.
Thanks,
Lipaz
Dec 19, 2008 04:39 pm Problem is you are not comparing apples to apples here. The A&H is not a controller at all. It is simply an analog desk so no good there. The Mackie Control on the other hand is a control surface. And the Edirol, it doesn't even come close to being a real control surface at all.
But I've said my piece.
Dec 19, 2008 04:56 pm It sounds like you want both a control surface and a MIDI controller.
Although I'm not a fan of Behringer as a brand, here's a product from them that combines a MIDI controller with a control surface:
keyboards-midi.musiciansf...ader?sku=701763
Jan 11, 2009 08:33 pm Gregor, just outta curiousity, what does your name come from?
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