Paying it Forward...
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Posted on Nov 14, 2004 02:02 pm
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
OK, Sunday morning, first thing that happens is that the database tables with all the member music info gets trashed. So, I proceed to cuss and swear and do all the unhealthy "reactive" things. After a few minutes I do the proactive things, start building a work around for people to get the mp3 files (which are still there) back in to their profile and email my host asking about a backup, no dice, the backup was run AFTER than table trashing. OK, keep going with the work around. My morning is frantic, I'm upset, I'm snappin at the family and all grumpy.
10:30, time to get ready for church. Ashley and I take off to church, I get her in Sunday School and I grab my seat in the auditorium. I haven't been to church in a few weeks due to schedule issues, but this Sunday is the end of a project the church conducted resembling the "pay it forward" concept. They gave 10 people some money from the church's coffers. These people are on a mission to use it to spread the kingdom of God.
Some people shared their stories. As the stories boiled down, it wasn't even about the money, it was an excercise to get people minds to open and to use talents that they had to better the world essentially. They were great stories of how the money funded fund raisers for charities such as Habitat for Humanity, M.A.D.D. and other such organizations.
Suddenly, the problems at HRC, while I feel horrible about it, seems so small, and all I am thinking is wondering about what else I can do to promote music in the world.
I have always been a fan of the concept of paying it forward. HRC was pretty much built on that concept. Not to sound insulting or belittling of myself or others at HRC, but, for the most part I am guessing HRC is mostly catering to individuals selfish pursuits of fame and rock stardom (albeit to varying degrees).
So I come home, ready to turn on some football, I can't help but think there is bigger things for me to accomplish in this world, to make more of a difference. In my youth I volunteered for a few different causes, but life gets so busy I forget to sit back and look at how good I have it, and how blessed I truly am...I just continue to work for more.
There MUST be something more, something bigger, something that matters that me, or we, as a group con promote or help promote, with the platform of HRC. From where I sit right now, HRC seems so trite, and such a fuedal effort at self-reward.
I wanted to make this a blog, but I thought it might ancourage conversation about something that HRC can do to help the cause we all believe in. That being the power of music.
Wow...I am a man of completely mixed emotions...
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Nov 14, 2004 02:39 pm OK, the main point of my somewhat aimless rambling was a few things:
1- Look honestly at what you have and be thankful for it all
2- Indentify ways to help society at large thru volunteering in local orgs or something, it really does give one a great sense of satisfaction
3- What can WE, the group at HRC, meaning all of us and our indentity, do to help society via music, music education, fund raising or anything else...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 14, 2004 04:44 pm I have a lot to say about what dB just said and how HRC can and eventually will help others. I will hold some of that for the moment. I will just state here, agreeing with dB and reiterating the point.
HRC was built on the Pay It Forward thought. I certainly didnt come here and stay this long for the money, or to gain anyones respect. I came here because there were many along my road to success that helped me without expecting anything in return. My reward is seeing everyone (and I have said this too many times before) get to were they want with their music. If I or we can make a differance in someones life, wither with our music, or by teaching them how to make it better. Then we have accomplished something good.
But as dB said, I think we as a community can accomplish so much more. We just need that little push over the edge, without motivation of personal gratification.
I have a ton more to say, but will save it till later.
And you HRC Pro guys. I had an idea while talking to dB on the phone this afternoon. It is concerning the Xmas colab. I would guess you all can figure out what that idea was, or come close. Just think about the original song and what John meant and did with it.
EDIT
By the way, does anyone know Yoko's email address?
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 14, 2004 04:57 pm ive got no idea what youre talking about noize...
Nov 14, 2004 11:48 pm You all know how grateful my son and I have been re the advice we have received this past year...
Well I'd like to say some things as someone on the receiving end of 'paying it forward'.
1. Firstly, I think that a common thread at HRC is generosity...and it would be a reason that we have not bothered with any other place...I've heard others talk about having been to other sites...but I've not had to...guess we were lucky that we were directed by the google search facility to HRC.
2. Secondly, I think that people here tend to have a DIY(do it yourself) attitude...which we relate to totally...
3. Thirdly, we were able to learn enough for my son...who has surpassed me...and easily...to record other teenage bands in our area and create for them demo's for them to go to recording companys with...we do this for free...and they get to use most of our gear as well - so now we are beginning to pay it forward.
4. Learning how to record has motivated my son even more to create his own songs...so the repertoire is growing.
5. This particular journey has culminated in his application for entry into a fulltime audio engineering course beginning next year. We haven't at this stage decided exactly where he will go, but he knows thats where he is headed next year.
His current skill level and the calibre of the home studio were the factors that swung the decision to take him into at least one course...we haven't heard from the others yet...and even though he is only 15...which they have never done before.
I was going to thank you all and in particular dB, Noize, and of course Coco...when we had confirmed which engineering course he got into...but I think it is appropriate to do it here...
It is amazing that you started this thread dB...
My son is also a generous boy...and I think that in the future he will continue to pay it forward as you have done here for him...I also believe that HRC will forever be a guiding force in his life in one form or other.
Sincere regards always,
BM
Nov 15, 2004 12:06 am PS...I just want to add that I'd like my son to post his recordings here...but he is shy still and in the middle of exams...also he will be leaving the city for the farm...so won't be recording again until next year...
I know that others might feel he could post his work finshed to his mind or not...but he is the type of person who likes to feel comfortable in himself first...quite unlike his mother!
Cheers,
BM
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 12:34 am I love HRC, dB, Noize, Flame, JohnnyHero, and all the rest of you suckers are my family. I've shared great gerhead convos, as well as some pretty significant convos with people here, and theres been many a time where I've gone to flame or dB just to gripe about something in my life.
So what I'm getting at is whether or not you see it right now dB, your baby (hrc) is doing a lot more good to people than you think. You guys have taught me all I know about recording, and have helped me through some of the hardest times of my life to date.
So no, I don't find this place to cater to selfish promotion. I find a family of people here who are working to grow and help each other grow.
Nov 15, 2004 06:33 am Interesting, I guess maybe I misjudged what was happening here. I guess it is the true spirit of pay it forward as it is. With teachings others, then they help people...paying it forward.
Yesterday was a real emotional rollercoaster for me and I had a real, honest spiritual awakening...then my Vikings lost of the pucking fackers...oh well.
One thing I didn't want this thread to turn in to was an "oh HRC is so great blah blah blah" but more of a "we could each do this or that". However, in the responses already I guess it kinda answered my question anyway.
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I find a family of people here
I bigger compliment could not be paid
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Thirdly, we were able to learn enough for my son [...] to record other teenage bands in our area and create for them demo's for them to go to recording companys with...we do this for free
Pay it forward in action. It warms my heart.
Maybe I'll just toss HRC aside for a while (actually, already have), just let it do it's thing and start volunteering my time to Habitat for Humanity or something...
keep paying it forward people.
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Nov 15, 2004 07:47 am I can honestly say that majority of us here aren't looking for fame and have gotten into it for good reasons. We are on a "musical mission" and we help each other out to complete that task. I came here by a google search if I remember correctly looking for advice because I didn't know where to begin. I got into recording about a year ago now and have spent every extra penny into this because there is a greater person out there that created music in the first place. My mission was to do this and it's a gift He has given me and I always put everything I have into it greatfully. The church has time and time again tried to pay me money for my time and all the equipment I have bought, but I do not want that nor do must of us here would want to do that.
All this blah blah by me here comes to this. To dB and others that have made this site possible, what you have here at HRC has blessed me and have made a little group of people in Star, NC able to reach hundreds of youth and adults through our recordings to life changing decisions. All ready, Pay It Forward is at work here at HRC in my life for a greater good.
dansaltdoganother day another ray of hopeMember
Since: Oct 14, 2004
Nov 15, 2004 07:53 am The film "it's a wonderful life" springs to mind. One can never know to the full extent what impact each individual has upon the world, but be sure, that the world is made up of HRCs and the people who contribute to them, whether they be charities, tutoring or the playing of music etc, and they are what make the world a pleasurable place for so many people. Imagine a world without them.
HRC may seem a small contribution, but it has given me the kick up the arse I needed, and in return, through recording, I can give something that is worthwhile to others. And so on it goes.
Nov 15, 2004 08:24 am Quote:
what you have here at HRC has blessed me and have made a little group of people in Star, NC able to reach hundreds of youth and adults through our recordings to life changing decisions
Wow, very cool.
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HRC may seem a small contribution, but it has given me the kick up the arse I needed, and in return, through recording, I can give something that is worthwhile to others.
ditto.
I guess I was mistaken in my assumptions, pay it forward is in fact at work. How cool. I feel sooooo much better this morning. But still, there must be something bigger, why do I feel there is soooooo much more that could be done...there is always more that can be done...
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 09:50 am Well if you need something to do... I could use about $2000 by mid january...I take paypal... :)
Bringing up church, yesterday the sermon at mine was regarding spiritual gifts. Essentially it boiled down to that everyone is gifted in something, and nobody can do everything at the "gifted" level.
Thats the nice thing about HRC in that there are a number of very experienced people here who are willing to help with information.
We seem to dole out information pretty well so that is what this community's "gift" is likely to be. So the only thing to think of is "How to dole out information better"
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Nov 15, 2004 10:23 am Well it is good timing for a topic as such, being Thanksgiving is near...
HRC gives me a friend or two in the recording world. Granted, I don't know most of you all, like some who have been here longer do...but I feel like arms are open everytime I post here. I try real hard to give back but I don't know as much as some on this site...
We are each others producers, engineers, artists and friends...and we do it out of passion for this art...If it had anything to do with money I woulda copped out of the PRO membership, but because I am here so much I felt as if it was an OBLIGATION to do my part to support this place in return for all the great things I have learned(along with buying HarBal through here...)
dB, I think most of us feel like you. HUNGRY!. For me, this site has been one reason why. So many here know so much more than I, it has pushed me...But I doubt that will catch up when it comes to knowledge...I am 25, I have a long way to go. Feeling hungry is normal, I wouldn't sweat it dB...to me it's healthy...It shows you have unconditional love for music & recording as do most of us here...
Nov 15, 2004 11:06 am Perhaps, but after my spiritual experience this weekend (which was quite powerful), I am starting to look beyond music, and looking at the world, and society, and how much help it needs. There are so many with nothing, and I have so much, there has GOT to be a way to give back, or, pay it forward. If somehow music is the vehicle, then so be it, but...oh, I dunno, I'm all messed in the head...
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Nov 15, 2004 11:26 am I think they key to life is happiness...bar none.
How you find it is up to you...
Figure out what you need to do to feel happy with yourself...and chase it...
dB...I know how you feel. But I give back to those close to me that deserve it...I don't trust alot of people and their needs with all the fraud and abuse out there...I give back to those who gave to me and that makes me happy...
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 04:11 pm well what if we made a collab project, put it up for download if you make a donation through paypal, and give the donatations to a charity we all agree on?
That would be using music as the vehicle to help others less foruntate than ourselves.
Nov 15, 2004 06:00 pm Ditto ALL the comments on this thread.
I think, it has been said before that HRC is great yet it is true without the mushy, sicky crap that sometimes goes with such words. Its just true...end off.
dB, Noize - all founder dudes - this place kicks *** as it does what is says on the tin....and SO much more.
Aye, everyone learns how to record but it IS a community which is far more than just a tip here or there. Folk, wi values, etc - nae bad folks as far as I can see. So...its cool.
Yi canny dae much more than to create something good and let it grow..thats spreadin the word, passin the love or whatever else yi can call it - tis good tho.
Noize, I have nae idea whit ye mean but if we email this collab to Yoko IM all for it.. (tho the pendin law suit may be a bit deadly!! hehe). Seriously - think I sees yer point.
So...this is all good stuff dB. If yer thinkin of givin more back, I like Loki's idea. Except, I'd say lets take it a bit further and have a collection of collabs to fill a short EP and flog that for the charity/good cause whatevetr.
Keep on rockin to y'all and thanks to BM for the heads up here. Glad to help. Similarly, VEERY Glad of all the help I have had over the last year....MUCH APPRECIATED.
Coco.
Nov 15, 2004 06:07 pm I like Loki's idea too, but for one song I don't expect much interest, but if we all here gave (or a few of us anyway) gave one song and made a CD of it, and sold it (not even "freebies" to the artists) and donated that money to a worthy cause. Maybe "Save the Music" foundation or something like that...
hmmmm, I am liking this idea. HRC might be able to fund the burns, I could talk to CD Print Express...
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 06:20 pm ill do a song for definate...
Nov 15, 2004 07:13 pm Count me in!
This is why I continue to hang out around here. A lot of like-minded people who have been around long enough to realize that there are more important things in this world than "I" and "me".
Let's do this in the spririt of "paying it forward" and not in the spirit of "hey lets put our names on a CD to see how much attention we can get." I like to call it "inconspicuous giving". It's the best kind!
Jim
Nov 15, 2004 07:15 pm now this might be something we can pull off...
Nov 15, 2004 07:21 pm Wow! I hardly know what to say to that original thread. Sounds like you are being a bit hard on yourself dB. What you have built here is nothing less than inspirational. It is a wealth of information, and a very open and friendly community. When I became "HRC PRO" I didn't do it for the extra goodies you get. I did it because I believe in what you have done here and wanted to help support it. You may think what you have done is a small thing... but I sure as Hell don't. Trite is the last word I would EVER use when describing this site to someone iterested in learning more about music and the art of capturing it. To put it plain and simple.... You done good!!!!
Nov 15, 2004 09:08 pm I'll be happy to help out any way I can...
Just carrying on from my earlier post...yup...a story's a comin'...my son had to fill in an application form for one of these audio schools and he was asked to mention two audio engineers and their work that he liked...
Well...the second piece of music was Marilyn Mansons remix of 'Tainted Love' because the instruments are well blended, the song suits his voice and its an original remix...(oh by the way...Marilyn Manson is the only artist that is not...shall we say...encouraged...in our household)
But...the first piece of music was by a producer/engineer named Coco from Scotland (but he didn't say 'from Scotland')...with the song 'Let it Go' because he felt it was professional considering that Cubase/Sound Forge was used through the M-Audio Delta 44 Sound Card...he felt it represented good value for money and high return...
Like I said...'HRC will be a guiding force in his life in one form or other'...I also wish to thank Walt and El Musico for their advice. :-)
Cheers again,
BM :-)
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 09:15 pm BEER!!!! err...umm...
I can do some drums... been sorta musicially stagnating while working on this movie and I need to do something else. ...I spent all day today printing off copies of the final version *cough* of the script to mail to the cast... kinkos wanted freak'n $45+ a copy! (111 pages)
I need some equipment serviced first but that will be done by January anyway.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Nov 15, 2004 11:22 pm Oh my,
Now I will really stick out my neck. And it is truely not my intention to start a phylisophical discussion.
It has been my experience that God will take what you have and develop you as he distributes, shares, and develops others. I don't know that you need to fullfill your and God's work.
I developed a lot of talent prior to realizing that I could do something with it worth while. All the wrong reasons and motivations. Those come last for many of us. But the talent is there when we develop the higher order postulates.
There is a lot of development hapening here at HRC. It is close to miraculous the comrodery and positive support that is sustained here in comparison to other boards. To instill a higher order of motivation in others is beyond our circle of influence per my experience. We can model these and some will be attracted. God developes personal relationships with all of us and will bring us unto himself per that personal relationship. To attempt his job is often a mistake. Sometimes providing what we can and then getting out of the way works out much better.
Now having said all that in support of HRC being part of God's plan, I also understand the want and need to contribute. It is especially accute when one reaches a new spiritual platoue. Meditate and ask for guidance, you will receive it. I asked for patience and found myself in a meijers line and a traffic jam. I ask for the buititude to accept and every wacko is at my door. Not much different than wanting to play bass. Here is one; Now practice.
It is a blessing to be able to rise above political correctness, and speak freely.
Nov 16, 2004 06:25 am I have always looked at it more like God gives talent, and it's sort of up to the person to find and use it. The problem with many is that they kinda have their eyes closed to the matter.
But still, yes, I very much agree with the concepts you are talking about.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Nov 16, 2004 08:45 am You have stuck upon a chord where I am inept. Words fail me. Yes we have "all we need". I can only ellude to it. Talent works as well as any word. Namatse' "I solute the God within you" eludes to the "seed". Potential, propensity, aptitude. A gift as unique as as snow flake in the minutia, given freely with no strings attached, as we are at liberty to use it as we "will". The seed's ability to flower is totally dependant upon our willingness to develop a relationship with the maker. Love is a verb, it can result in a serinity but is not a sensation of warm and fuzzy. Therin lie the postulates of direction, focus, ...motivation. My goals though imporant to me are admitedly myoptic.
I'm exhausted. Time to build a patio! One shovel of dirt ah, ah ,ah, two.....
Nov 16, 2004 10:55 am Wow. Highly interesting thread. Cant believe havent read it sooner. I'll chip in to give a kind of "outsider insider" view if you like.
First off, and this is meant as a compliment to this place and it's regulars, i had no idea so many of you regulars were all such church goers. I aint gonna comment on that coz WAY too many forums have gone down WAY too many wrong roads with those discussions, but the fact i didnt know this means you dont go shouting it off at every opportunity. As an open-minded human, i respect that.
I know db has since seen things a little differently, but i had to quote the "I am guessing HRC is mostly catering to individuals selfish pursuits of fame and rock stardom" part, if only to say you couldnt be further from the truth.
In terms of this "something bigger", i know what you are getting at. So much of it is a matter of perspective though. You think of helping the world somehow, first thing you think of is famine and aids most probably. But there are so many ways to help so many different people, all having their own different problems. Or they might not even be problems at all. It's all so relative. It's all a matter of perspective. I'd love to sell songs for a living. Why, to make a fortune? No, i'd just love to house and feed my family by spreading music rather that indirectly helping a huge global firm make as many big bucks as it can.
Just think of how many loner musicians, who maybe dont have the best social skills in the world or the highest levels of confidence in real life, find refuge in domains like this. Refuge, help, assistance, encouragement. I've said before that this is one of many such forums, some great, some not so great, some concentrating on just collaboration, some on home recording, some on showcasing etc. I've yet to see one that hasnt turned into a community of people. An extended family of people who you'll never really meet in real life (with exception).
Creating something like this isnt to be underestimated, it is a mammoth task. Filling it, watching and letting it grow, and sustaining it is even bigger still.
I've been involved in a couple of collab compilation projects for good causes.... if you can bring it through to the end, it's a great idea. From what i've seen of this place and the people it homes, this should be a breeze.
Just in all of our quest-hunting, never forget or underestimate the power, magic and extreme wonder of music, no matter where you believe the talent comes from. It's a blessing, and it should be shared and taught, as the powerful and creative leveller that is it.
Nov 16, 2004 10:59 am Quote:
I know db has since seen things a little differently, but i had to quote the "I am guessing HRC is mostly catering to individuals selfish pursuits of fame and rock stardom" part, if only to say you couldnt be further from the truth.
And I am quite glad to be wrong.
Nov 16, 2004 11:19 am As ya should be ;)
Sorry, didnt mean to dig it all up again :)
I get struck by feelings like you mention here every so often actually. The last time actually got me to apply for a job as a new-methods music teacher at a local international school. I've never wanted to be a teacher until that moment, but for a while there i wanted nothing less than getting that job and teaching kids all about music and different cultures. Just keep thinking there's gotta be so much more to life than what i'm doing. Again, i'm fully aware i'm blessed with what i've got, but i mean in terms of pro-actively doing something helpful or creative or whatever. As it turned out, the job ad was incorrect and only parttime so was out of the question. Gutted i was, but i'll keep looking.
tenakoMember
Since: Nov 16, 2004
Nov 16, 2004 03:06 pm Hi all, long time lurker, 2 minute member.
This thread spurred me to officially join the finest community I've ever had the pleasure to observe.
Blessings to each and every one of you. Your own conduct, how you treat each other, how you treat newbies, is the real testament to paying it forward. In a virtual world reeking of rudeness and crass behavior, driven by the anonimity of the net, you shine out in your unconditional civility towards your fellow man. You are a group of people that I actually want to be associated with, and that's a statement I seldom make.
I'm just getting started on my own project, so you'll hear more from me in the future. Thanks again, and it's great to be here.
Nov 16, 2004 03:09 pm Well, I can think of absolutely no better time or place to join.
Let me offer a sincere welcome to HRC, and a more sincere thanks for the kind words.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 16, 2004 03:13 pm welcome tenako!
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Nov 16, 2004 03:32 pm Welcome indeed tenako!!
Nov 16, 2004 03:48 pm welcome to you lurker.
Nov 16, 2004 04:49 pm aye...welcome.
And also, I'll dig oot a song for this here charity record.
I'd also like to say, this is the time of year to be thinkin of such stuff, rather than what new gear I'll be gettin (aye, we all do it, but we all know what we SHOULD be doin)!!
So...uncle Santa Coco says...lets make this here record.
dB, if we can pull this off, this will sure as hell be paying it forward. I also like to simply it and say "giving something back". Which, to me, is what I'd persoanlly be doing.
I got from you guys, all I know of PC recording, and I mean all. I am not being falsely modest here (dont believe in time wastin maself) so I know what I can/cant could/couldnt do - I could play guitar (lead/rhythm), bass and a little drums. I did know ALL aboot PC's and some web design. I had ZERO idea aboot recording all this stuff other than a few hours use of a Tascam4 track. This place GAVE me everything in between for recording skills, etc (what I have anyway!!).
So, I'd like to give that to someone else and if we even make a few bucks/quid/whatever, its worth it.
Bring it on...
Coco.
Nov 16, 2004 06:29 pm When I became "HRC PRO" I didn't do it for the extra goodies you get. I did it because I believe in what you have done here and wanted to help support it. You may think what you have done is a small thing... but I sure as Hell don't.
this is also why i went pro. i dig it here. i am here every day. i dont work on music nearly as much as i should be right now for various reasons, but i hang around hrc anyway, wasting server space while absorbing what i can and enjoying the atmosphere. i just dig all you people. hopefully as HRC grows, the sense of community will remain. it is no small accomplishment, db, cause hrc is THE best resource on the web and it also happens to be a friendly place, which is largely due to the influence of you admins. you guys enforce a general civility in some weird underhanded way by your mere presence here. lol
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 16, 2004 07:03 pm thats cos ill whup their asses if they step outta line...
Nov 16, 2004 08:33 pm lol
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Nov 16, 2004 09:22 pm Can we have a forum delving into the finer points of Rock Stardom ?... a thread perhaps ? Bah !
[quote]When I became "HRC PRO" I didn't do it for the extra goodies you get. I did it because I believe in what you have done here and wanted to help support it. You may think what you have done is a small thing... but I sure as Hell don't.
this is also why i went pro. i dig it here. i am here every day. i dont work on music nearly as much as i should be right now for various reasons, but i hang around hrc anyway, wasting server space while absorbing what i can and enjoying the atmosphere. i just dig all you people. hopefully as HRC grows, the sense of community will remain. it is no small accomplishment, db, cause hrc is THE best resource on the web and it also happens to be a friendly place, which is largely due to the influence of you admins. you guys enforce a general civility in some weird underhanded way by your mere presence here. lol [/quote]
Ditto'D :0
Nov 17, 2004 03:38 am "hopefully as HRC grows, the sense of community will remain"
To everyone, if you have no other goals for your activity on this site, please make this your number one endeavour. Growth comes at a cost with places like this... and at some point, that bad apple WILL turn up here. Stick together, stick to the constant ethos of this place and y'all fly through it.
Now where's my guitar.
Nov 17, 2004 06:06 am oh, thru the years bad apples HAVE turned up, believe me. We've dealt with them, had a couple REAL bad episodes. But we've always come out the victor.
Nov 17, 2004 06:56 am Really, oh i've missed them LOL.
Now you got me wondrin if we have any bad apples in common LOL.
Good for you anyhow!
dansaltdoganother day another ray of hopeMember
Since: Oct 14, 2004
Nov 17, 2004 08:36 am I often think about and question my place in the world, could I do more? etc. But I have come to the conclusion that as long as I try to do the right thing, then maybe my actions will be seen by others as an example of how easy kindness can be.
Yesterday afternoon I recorded a busker in the studio. He had a good voice and a good guitar style, but however, could not understand why I would choose to record him for nothing. The explanation that I tried to get accross, was that recording for free kept the whole process enjoyable, I go to work where I earn living expences, so don't need anything else. Also is the idea that someone who has plenty of money can afford to record their songs, but those who have little money are left to busk... I feel that I am just levelling the scales a little bit.
The point is, that this busker has something now that he always thought was out of his reach, and one day, if things change for him, he may be able to pay it forward. Every little act of kindness in the world is remembered and taken on board. I believe and hope that kindness has a knock on effect... and I am happy with that being my place in the world, whether it being through music or simply holding a door open for someone. I may be banging my head against a wall in some cases, but I won't let those put me off.
Individually, it may be a small endeavour, but I know, Even through reading this thread, that I am not alone, and that collectively it ceases to be a small endeavour.
Nov 17, 2004 11:07 am Well, CD Print Express said he'll be there for us, when we are ready he said he'll work what he can for pricing...we really should do this, and just have to pick a charity...
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Nov 17, 2004 11:10 am I'm with ya Dan!
You won't see me on 32 national broadcast networks going head to head with the doly lama, the pope, and the spirit of Martin Luther King in debate for the next term of Grand Puba of spiritual advice.
I do ask myself simple questions. Am I part of the solution or part of the problem? When the sport of road rage is developing around me and every instinct I have tells me "run over that blond puting on lipstick, chattering on the telephone, flipping me off, and doing 80 sideways" the answer to the question is "if everybody would just let go" and best I can do is let go myself.
What is my motivation? There is a good one. Is my ego screaming "I want to be right!" Ooops, probably not a good motivation.
Is this a "we" endevor? Am I contributing to self as one in the group? Or am I taking the lions share or being the sacrificial goat?
What am I contributing? What is the cost? Can I make this contribution? Am I doing a recording at the expence of my children's needs? Ooops, they are making the contribution not me. If I want to give the gift of an ability do I do it for him? Probably not.
Right now, why am I writing this when I need to go the "we be boards" for insulation so mamma, me, and the cats don't have to skip meals to heat the place?
Oooops gotta go!
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Nov 17, 2004 11:13 am I believe that most of us are for it dB. So, what we going to put on it?
Nov 17, 2004 11:16 am I'd say the first thing is to try to vote on songs to include, but no more than one from any single person/band.
We should pick more inspirational songs with positive messages, as apposed to downer tunes, but let the democracy decide.
I'll put any of mine if anyone so chooses to want to, just saying I am willing to participate.
All mine can be heard at music.dbmasters.net altho I think "Just Another Junkie" is probably not apropriate from my collection :)
Nov 17, 2004 11:37 am A couple of things to think about...
We really need all songs to be originals, so that we don't have to deal with publishing, copyrights, royalties, etc.
Not all of us here on HRC are songwriters. Those of us that are need to be willing to share their compositions with others for recording purposes (I sure am!)
To really be an act of charity, we need to gain nothing tangible from the project, including attention and notoriety for our musicianship. I think we should be anonymous, keep our individual names off of it. Songwriting credits, production credits, musician credits, etc. They should all just be credited to a generic HRC name.
We could think about all of the songs fitting a theme, such as "Paying it Forward", or just giving in general. We could write a song called "Pay it Forward", and have it be a collab. The other songs could be individual submissions.
As far as selling the thing, I think that we could all peddle the CD to friends and relatives, on our band websites, here at HRC, etc. And the money should go to some type of Music-related charity...I believe dB suggested Save the Music. Great idea...
I'm just babbling on now...wondering out loud again...
I really think that this is a great project. My twenty years of making music has given me so much, and it is indeed time for me to Pay it Forward.
Nov 17, 2004 11:39 am I agree on most point, except, my songs are copyrighted ownship of me, and, if my music is used it will state such.
Nov 17, 2004 12:29 pm Yes, I agree with that. I would want the same. I was just generalizing...thinking about ways to keeps this from being an ego-stroking activity for me.
Admittedly, a lot of times when I post things on HRC, be it comments to topics or even posting my songs, I'm mostly looking for validation from the rest of you that what I think or what I'm doing is "worthy".
For myself, I'd like to get away from that, and just participate here for its own sake. Becasue it's what I enjoy doing, and because I can.
Hmmm...blathering again...I don't know if I'm amking any sense, so I'd best stop!
Great topic! Great project! Great ideas!
Jim
Nov 17, 2004 01:18 pm www.vh1.com/partners/save_the_music/home.html
Personally, I think this should be the charity, but I am surely open to suggestion.
But then, how do we distribute? Should I work with the printer and get them all sent here, then members collect money from their friends/areas and order in mass from me? Then I could make the contribution? It would save money to have me send a few to each member ratehr than all one-off mailings, then, of course have some one-off mailing from selling it thru the web site?
Nov 17, 2004 01:27 pm Agree with Jim and dB on this - delighted to help but also delighted to retain my copyright.
I dont want nowt for the song I give...just my copyright (as I dont want anyone else screwing me for it). The charity will be allowed 100% of anything it makes..but nobody else! Fair dues for us all I think.
Other than that...Im off to finish a song I have had buzzing for a few years. I'll give that to the record if people want it.
Nice one...this will be cool.
Cheers...
Coco.
Nov 17, 2004 01:28 pm dB - we can use Wimpy too to sell it via MP3 download.
IVe sussed how to do this so between us, we can nail the Wimpy solution for online sales too.
Nice one.
Coco.
Nov 17, 2004 01:31 pm We'll see, mp3's perhaps.
I have way bigger plans for Wimpy if I can get the XML features working, which are starting to tick me off...
Nov 17, 2004 02:19 pm Aye,,the XML naffed me off tae. The playlists were handy yet totally downloadable!!
I wis scratchin ma head wi that wee app for a while for sure.
If ye crack it...let me know!
Coco
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Nov 17, 2004 07:25 pm $0.02
First of all, what Tenako said. Right on the money. This is a great place.
As for the pay-it-forward thing, I'm reminded of a scene in the "Little Princess" movie (not the Shirley Temple one, probably from the eighties....) where the Indian chap does a little magic for the 'princess' with some food, next day she's out in the snow and gives some food to a poor, starving kid, he gives her one of the roses they're trying to sell and the 'princess' puts the rose into the doorhandles of the house where the Indian guy is. It's about a minute and a half of the film, but the most powerful. Pure magic at work. That's great stuff! Paying a kindness forward. What's the worst thing that could happen if everyone tried it? There would be a few more smiles in the world. I call that magic.
You know, whenever there's a thread that comes up in HRC that I think I may have some insight, or helpful information, or whatever, I get a rush. It's so cool to be able to help someone out the same way that all of you have helped me out on so many occasions. I don't believe anyone who comes here has any selfish intentions at all. There's a sense of wishing to become better musicians/engineers/tweakers/singers/producers, but I doubt that there's anyone who wouldn't help out another member should they ask for advice, or what-have-you. And it's not just about the music; there a so many threads where people come in and say, "Hey I bought a new car!" In minutes there are a bunch of members offering congratulations. It is a community in the very best sense of the word. dB and all you founders, you really have created a beast here. I'll be happy to feed it a saucer of cream.
I'm going through selling-a-condo/buying-a-house mortgage/escrow/moving/inspections nightmare right now (and haven't been able to hook up my new PC to my gear!!!!), so fundage is not available(per Household Directive No. 3169JX34 from "'ER INDOORS", but I'm definitely joining HRC Pro in the new year (Note: db-wan - please hold me to that, right!?)). Whoohoo, double parentheses!!!!
If there's a vote, mine would be for the Save The Music thing. Very v. cool.
Nov 17, 2004 11:49 pm A young person turned up to a regional music competition as a competitor, this person only had a cheap acoustic guitar vs the flash electric gear etc the other competitors had.
But when this person sang, the same people in the auditorium that were snickering about the obvious lack of funds etc listened...the applause said it all. This person did not make the finals.
She/he doesn't know who I am, but anonymously received an electric acoustic, guitar amp plus accesories...this was half a year ago...last month he/she appeared on television and had secured a recording contract.
I hear she/he feels it made a difference...I doubt we'll ever meet, but I maintain an interest in what he/she is achieving...
Sometimes...thats all it takes.
Is a scholarship program another way to go for HRC and paying it forward. Together we could help young people on their path...
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I'd not supported my son to follow his heart?
I don't know...but I thought I'd share this idea for further discussion.
Cheers,
BM
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 18, 2004 12:24 am Boys Mum, I am thinking about making those lyrics you edited out of that post into the blues tune you suggested and popping it on for the disc. If you have written more on it just email it to me and we'll go from there. I think it would be a nice light touch dont you?
I will keep ya informed when I get a tune that might fit. Probly start after the xmas colab is done. That and after the Hendrix tune synthed up for flame.
Nov 18, 2004 01:16 am You're cool Noize...I just can't believe how generous people are here...y'know?
I'm looking forward to the Hendrix tune...I'm a fan of his.
And I'll put those lyrics through to you...
Cheers and good on ya Noize,
BM :-)
Nov 18, 2004 02:07 am What the...?I just read your post properly Noize...what disc?
dansaltdoganother day another ray of hopeMember
Since: Oct 14, 2004
Nov 18, 2004 04:27 am BM
That's so cool. He/she will probably never forget that act of kindness and will probably want to repay it in some form when he/she has the opportunity. That's such a very cool thing you did.
Walt
It's all a very interesting and complicated issue. But I think you are right about the motivation thing, trying to work out one's motivation for what one does is the tricky bit. For my part, that side of things is pretty much sorted, but there are many sides to it which I need to put in check from time to time to make sure I am still on the right track. But put simply, I believe that doing the right thing, is the right thing to do. However, the "right thing" changes depending on the circumstances and my situation at the time. I wouldn't, for example, have recorded this busker to the detriment of my family, things have to be prioritised.
As far as contributions to this CD goes, I'm not sure that I can offer much, but if anyone needs a bit of drumming, or percussion; tabla or dharabuka, please let me know.
Nov 18, 2004 07:22 am BM - that indeed is cool.
I dunno, I try to avoid such heavy debates as this one but I reckon Im pretty much motivated to do the right thing "just because its right".
Tho, I will freely admit I aint nowhere close to being cannonised or made any saint! In fact, Im just an average punter when it comes to perfection and goodness.
Secret is NOT to be perfect methinks...secret is to try yer best and that is all, anyone, can ask.
So - thats my simple take on this HUGE subject.
Anyways, as I say, happy to donate a song for the project if it helps someone else. All I am doing is writing/recording a song - if someone can benefit from that, then I am all the happier.
Nice one.
Coco.
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Nov 18, 2004 07:29 am Very cool indeed BM.
If my grandfather never heard me play before he lost most of his hearing and bought me that piano, I would have never achieved what God had planned for me. I believe it takes someone seeing that dream in you to give you that push along the way.
Nov 18, 2004 08:18 am starting two new threads regarding this project...stay tuned.
Nov 18, 2004 08:23 am Yes vdale...I would be of the view that some people 'have it' and that is their contribution to their world...others might not 'have it'...so to speak...but their role might be to help support its expression.
Hey Coco...I think you're right there...you do what you think is right at that time...you do what you can...and ditto on the average punter concept...
Cheers,
BM :-)
dansaltdoganother day another ray of hopeMember
Since: Oct 14, 2004
Nov 18, 2004 09:00 am BM & Coco
In all the posts I have read of yours, it would seem that there is nothing average about your kindness and goodness... way above average I would say.
Nov 18, 2004 10:04 am Ah Dan...you only see posts written with plenty of time to think...and this is such a small part of my life...I can do horrible, stupid and bad as well...hell I just smoked a whole packet of cigarettes last weekend and a cigar!
Bad, bad...bad as!
Thanks and cheers,
BM
Nov 18, 2004 10:06 am oh, a chick with a cigar turns me on...cigarette=gross and trailer-trashy, cigar=oooolaalaa.
Nov 18, 2004 10:43 am Yeah, yeah...I know dB...although I've never quite regarded myself as gross and trailer trashy...but I guess thats probably pretty bad!
Anyways...the 'Save the Music' project is really moving fast...its really struck a chord...I'd like to help distribute here but I'm wondering is it American Schools only that would be recipients?
Cheers,
BM :-)
Nov 18, 2004 10:49 am Well, I never said you were trailer trashy, but a chick smoking a cigarette just gives me that vibe...
Honestly, the schools that benefit I dunno, I'll look into that when I get some time.
Nov 18, 2004 10:55 am Hey just joshing with ya dB...smoking is gross...plain and simple...and also trailer trashy! :-)
Cheers,
BM
dansaltdoganother day another ray of hopeMember
Since: Oct 14, 2004
Nov 19, 2004 06:01 am Crikey BM, I never realised you were so bad :)
Nov 19, 2004 06:11 am Lol Dan...yeah...I'm trouble...hehe!...with a capital T.
Cheers Dan,
BM :-)
