Oct 25, 2004 01:35 pm I didn't see the episode but I saw the video the very next morning... that's just too funny.
So, who saw Saturday Night Live on...wel...saturday...
Posted on Oct 25, 2004 12:32 pm
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
Ashlee Simpson was the "musical guest", and her performance was shot down by somebody playing the wrong background tape :-D
She left the stage and her band just rocked out :-)
www.boston.com/ae/tv/arti...pson_vocal_aid/
www.filmfodder.com/film_j...ives/000401.htm
Bwahahahaha, pop music, and it's talentless minions gets the media coverage it so richly deserves
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Oct 25, 2004 01:35 pm I didn't see the episode but I saw the video the very next morning... that's just too funny.
Oct 25, 2004 01:45 pm I saw it when it happened...OMG I was dying...All I said was 'uh-oh'...the broke out in laughter...Serves mainstream pop artists right...Sing your own sh** for gods sake.
On a second note did anyone see good ole Captain Kirk performing a song on Leno the other night...my god...when does it end...
And Paris Hilton also has a CD out...
Micheal Stipe just called and said "Its the end of the world as we know it."
Oct 25, 2004 02:04 pm Don't just you get a kind of smug feeling when things like that happen... heh heh
Oct 25, 2004 02:55 pm To make things even more pathetic, she then procedes to blame the band at the end of the show by saying that they started to play the wrong song.
And if you really want to laugh at her check this out...
From a Lucky Magazine interview:
LM: What are your takes on lip-synching?
AS: I'm totally against it and offended by it. I'm going out to let my real talent show, not to just stand there and dance around. Personally, I'd never lip-synch. It's just not me.
Oct 25, 2004 03:57 pm I think people would be surprised how many bands, artists do that and not just pop artists. There's a big difference between a guide track and lip syncing IMO, nothing but the equivilent of double tracking live. I doubt there is an act around that hasn't done it at some point.
Dan
Oct 25, 2004 04:03 pm Olddog,
That may be so, but how many of them after a tape screw-up would then blame their band?
Also after claiming to be offended by artists who DO lip-synch, she deserves all the ridicule she gets.
Oct 25, 2004 04:06 pm By the way, it wasn't just a click track. You actually heard her voice coming out of the speakers when she hadn't started to sing yet.
Oct 25, 2004 04:09 pm This is why I hate the bile that is a lot of pop music today.
dB and Wrmach had a good debate on this kinda thing the other week, both offering good points to the debate as to music, old stuff v new stuff etc etc.
My point is - I hate rip offs. These gitts, swines, whatever are robbin the kids by taking $$ or ££ and just turnin up, dancing and singing nowt.
I know music means different stuff to different folk but WHY play live when in fact, there is NOTHING live other than the dancing/lip syncin. I hate that...its only to earn $$$ so any one of these swines who makes a jackass of themselves deserves it...! HA!
To quote a Metalica album....And Justice For All!
Coco.
Oct 25, 2004 04:16 pm "And Paris Hilton also has a CD out..."
Oh my god, I just threw up a little in my mouth. That really sickens me. Just because your on TV (not even acting might I add), and that you have $$$, doesn't mean you should have a f***in' CD out! It'd be one thing if she did it all herself, but I'm sure it has lots of major record label backup and press and junk... so crappy. Makes me VERY happy that I haven't boughten a major label CD in a VERY, VERY long time. God bless small labels.
Oct 25, 2004 04:21 pm I hear that... the only labels I buy anything off of anymore are Asian Man and Fueled By Ramen.
Oct 25, 2004 04:25 pm Good to hear guys...good to hear.
I think, I'd love nothing better than to hae nae mare EMI, etc etc - boring covers uninspired drivel, lip syncing, poor dancing, blah blah ...
Thats NO music for me. Music is all aboot attitude, belief and (if applicable) talent. Now, most bands and artists have a mix of this EXCEPT the junk that basically fools along to a tune KIDDIN ON to be a "popstar" screwin kids money from them....its a big sham.
Hate the whole scene. Dont get me wrong, to the youngest kids - they like it but these swines that make the countless millions have no concience and rake in cash from tours etc with ZERO talent artists miming, dancing, .... grr.
INDIE FOREVER!
Coco.
Oct 25, 2004 05:00 pm the paris hilton thing really makes me mad. as for simpson--BAH
shatner doing music is alright. his album from the 60's is apparently one of the worst experimental albums ever made and some people are really fans of it because it's so bad. i think it's great he is able to do this and not take himself so seriously/take himself seriously. he's like 73 years old! how was the tonight show song?
Oct 25, 2004 05:05 pm Well...you would figure if the band was playing the wrong song she woulda looked confused right away...That didn't seem like the case...Her voice tape played then she brought the mic up as if 'oh sh** was I supposed to start?'....
The band kept jamming which was cool...they looked a lil bit like 'oh well, its botched but lets just keep on going....'
Oct 25, 2004 05:09 pm Come on guys, ever actor wants to be a rock star and every rock star wants to be an actor, it's hardly new :-)
Seriously though, some have pulled it off. Paris Hilton isn't the only one, her sidekick, Nicole Richie has one out too...
Still, whether the media tells kids they like it or not, eh, if the kids go to the concerts, buy the albums and have fun, well, no harm done. Believe it or not people, some peeps just wanna listen to music, and not have keen insite into what kind of guitar they play, the type of strings on it, what the signal chain goes through and how it's recorded...they just wanna rock out...er, pop out, actually. So the fact some fatcat gets rich is moot, the kids have fun, so what the hell...
Oct 25, 2004 05:12 pm I thought it was terrible...people often disputed me about rap and how its 'talking over a beat'...Gimmie a break...
Shatner has an album worth being on Leno for?...WTF is that? Certainly ain't signing not to me...He had Ben Folds on there along with Joe Jackson I believe, who did the actual singing...
The odd thing about it is that Shatner was locked on his song sheet like grade school kids in music class...Even during the chorus lines. Can't blame the guy for trying but it sounded like those commercials he did.
Oct 25, 2004 05:17 pm I've said it a billion times (OK, well maybe 10). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Oct 25, 2004 05:21 pm Same with athletes and musicians too dB...
Look I don't mind who makes the stuff...it's this constant miandering of how 'groundbreaking' new stuff is when it comes out...BS...
I get sick of record companies pushing garbage out and calling it the next big thing...in 2012 the only thing J-Lo, Beyonce, Nelly and the rest of the barrel will be known for is pop icons...
I am kind of in the Tyler Durden mood when it comes to music as of late...
Oct 25, 2004 05:24 pm Oh, yeah, I'll agree with you there, calling any of it ground breaking or anything like that, yeah, unnecessary, and decaitful even. But the fact they are trying to make music and have the money and clout to actually do it, eh, God bless 'em.
Jason, you gonna be at the Sonar thingy in Roseville on Thursday? I'll have my HRC shirt on if your there...so you can spot me easily :-)
Oct 25, 2004 05:26 pm I suppose it would help...I don't work with Cakewalk at all but any knolwedge is good knowledge...
I got red hair so I am easy to spot also...
I am not sure yet tho dB...let me check with 'house arrest' and see what my plans are...
Oct 25, 2004 05:40 pm hehehe, OK, well, maybe see ya there, maybe not.
Maybe you'd leave wanting to work with Cakewalk :-D
Oct 25, 2004 05:56 pm FYI...House Arrest meaning my girl...
She isn't actually like house arrest, it's better than using 'battle ax' or 'ole ball n chain'. I love her to death, but I just think it sounds too funny...
I can show, but I just have to make sure I don't double up plans...that's all. ;)
Is it free?
Oct 25, 2004 06:11 pm As usual, I am late ...(good morning guys !)
I caught this last night off the MSN link... and it does look very funny indeed, but I do imagine that even Simpson started out with the same disgust for such things, and this is really a case of what the machine is capeable of doing to people's integrity, and artistic capacity . Hell, that's what they do... turn art into a product ! So, really it's quite sad . She blamed the band, the band blamed the crew, and the record company was not available for comment... disgusting .
Quote:
Believe it or not people, some peeps just wanna listen to music, and not have keen insite into what kind of guitar they play, the type of strings on it, what the signal chain goes through and how it's recorded...
'Tis very true dB, and though I pine for the days that I'd go to a concert, and not analyze the crap out of what's going on, and just had a fun time alas, this is the hurtful part of this mess... they really are taking the trust of that crowd, and using it against the fans who enjoy the music they make, but wouldn't support it if they knew it was a pile of record company doo-doo . This places the responsibility of making sure that 'all is well on a stage' unto every person in the audience, and since I have given up the fun for analysis a long time ago, I for one am glad to see this responsibility placed directly in the laps of the people who make this kind of thing possible for the fatcats to force down our throats, and then get payed for .
Why didn't the audience erupt into disgust ? Not a single place I've ever played would allow this, without a complete and utter 'disassembling' of the band .
Get me a bucket ! 8p
Oct 25, 2004 06:12 pm Quote:
FYI...House Arrest meaning my girl...
I assumed so.
Unless you live within 100 yards of GC anyway. I had a buddy lived in St Paul that lived very close (like VERY close) to two bars and a convenience store. House Arrest really didn't cut into his nightlife much...just the drinking.
Oct 25, 2004 06:36 pm Well unlike most of us I think the audience might not have known what the hell was going on as soon as it happened...they might have thought it was a glich and figured it was going to be fixed in a few seconds....
Besides...SNL probably has mics over the crowd they can just mute to make the crowd seem calm in times like these....who knows?
But you're right, not a peep from them...God it was funny...
Oct 25, 2004 06:37 pm i just like shatner generally. i don't care what he attempts; i'll view it with my tongue in cheek.
but hilton? here is a girl famous for being famous, with dubious appeal on all levels. but because she's a big deal she can do what she wants. gets all the aid and outside help she needs to put together some horrible fast-food music. meanwhile HRC members struggle to get a song--a better song--heard once on the internet. hahaha hilton. go away. please. check into a hotel and go to sleep for 20 years.
(the expressed opinion is not the opinion of HRC or its constituents. void where prohibited. contact an attorney. void.)
Oct 25, 2004 06:41 pm Guess I didn't take into consideration how subdued the audience is, as well...
... for all we know, they plant a chip in your bum, the second you take your seat, and then are able to throw anything they want at y'a ! Bahhahaaaha !
Forty, ever heard Shatner's 'Mr.Tambourine Man' ?
Killer !!!
Oct 25, 2004 06:47 pm no, but i'm gonna try to get my hands on something
Oct 26, 2004 12:06 am you know i think she might have been valid to "blame" her band. when you have a pre-tape like that, it's frequently run right next to the drummer since he has to have the click in his ear in order to play along with it. so he hits the play button and the wrong song is cued up...maybe that's what "my band started playing the wrong song" means.
for the record i think it just goes to show that most of popular music today is all smoke and mirrors. was there ANYTHING real to begin with about ashlee simpson and her career? it's just like auto-tune. smoke and mirrors. this and hoobastank at the VMAs take the cake for this year.
Oct 26, 2004 12:47 am totally out of tune vocals...blamed on monitors. their vocals on the album are so heavily autotuned, it is not surprising that their singer would display subpar vocal talent during live shows.
Oct 26, 2004 06:09 am wow that was funny
I don't like the music nor her sister's music
but at least when jessica starts to sing she does it live and good too I just don't like the music she makes but that's just a matter of taste
yeah... ashlee... too bad for ya, ya gave me a laugh
Oct 26, 2004 06:36 am Jessica Simpson, while I don't dig here music, she does have an incredible voice. Ashlee however, well, she was brought in, and from what I have seen (you know she has her own show too, right?) has no real musical talent that most human beings don't have in the sense of natural human rhythm, she has no business being a professional musician.
And she got busted, eh, what comes around goes around, that's all that is...I am with Minkus though, blaming the band isn't that surprising, especially in the immediacy of the situation. THE BAND however you can tell were practiced, experienced musician's, they just kept rockin and had fun with it...THATS what a professional does. I have had weird things happen in gig's...strings break, the singer's on acid and forgets some words, drummer breaks a head, that sort of thing, but hey, ya don't just stop and walk off stage, ya just keep rockin.
Oct 26, 2004 07:55 am Ahhh, now I just heard it was "Acid Reflux" that was making her voice rough, so THAT'S why she needed the "help" on SNL...
yeah, suuure...good spin there record label spin doctors...
Oct 26, 2004 08:43 am I agree db.
Yeah, I saw it Saturday night and was thinking "Nillie Vanillie are back!!!" It was sad. As a musician that has played live an average of 3 to 4 times live weekly, you can play off stuff and not make faces and nobody would know it was a screw up. Think this: the drummer acidently played the vocal track of the previous song Ashley just "lipped" sung too. All Ashley had to do was not turn around or make stupid playful dance moves, just sort of throw her hand up and then the drummer hit the right cue. I would have though it was on purpose, sort of like a sample of her familar song going into her newest single. So, she is more to blame then her band in my book. He stopped his mistake (even if it really was him that messed up) and was probably going to start the correct electric drum sample, but instead everyone freaked out because Ashley probably said something to him when she turned around and made the acident worse.
Oct 26, 2004 09:36 am August 16th I was at the Metallica concert (where after I met the boys at the book signing, hence the title)...And Jaymez actually got the verses for Sad But True twisted up, I think midway thru verse 2 he went into the rest which was actually verse 3...he botched the song but he moved on, and no one really cared...
I agree with Vdale also...that same night Lars threw a 3 count and one guitar went off when Jaymez stopped and said "Hey thats a 4 count"...I believe the song was Stone Cold Crazy
My pops heard somewhere that the conspiracy theory of this incident was that crew for SNL set her up cuz she was such a ***** in rehearsals...
Oct 26, 2004 09:53 am i heard this somewhere:
blame it on the band, blame it on the esophagus...BLAME IT ON THE RAAAAIN!
Oct 26, 2004 10:05 am NEW YORK (AP) - If Ashlee Simpson's stomach was upset Saturday night, imagine how she's feeling now. Busted for a "Saturday Night Live" lip-synch gone awry, her manager-father said Monday his 19-year-old daughter used the extra help because acid reflux disease had made her voice hoarse.
"Just like any artist in America, she has a backing track that she pushes so you don't have to hear her croak through a song on national television," Joe Simpson told Ryan Seacrest on Los Angeles radio station KIIS-FM. "No one wants to hear that."
He insisted it would be Ashlee's live voice alone during her appearance on NBC's "Radio Music Awards" Monday night.
And he said she's never used the extra help onstage before.
Simpson had performed her hit single "Pieces of Me" without incident earlier on "SNL." When she came back a second time, her band started playing and the first lines of her singing "Pieces of Me" could be heard again.
She was holding her microphone at her waist at the time. Simpson looked momentarily confused as the band plowed ahead with the song and the vocal was quickly silenced.
A flustered Simpson made some exaggerated hopping dance moves, then walked off the stage.
The incident exposed what many consider an obvious secret: that some singers who appear onstage aren't singing live at all, or at least have their voices augmented by backing tracks.
"Every artist that I now in this business has had vocal problems at some time - from Celine on down," said Joe Simpson, also father of Jessica Simpson. "So you've got to do what you've got to do."
He said it was his decision to use the tapes when it became apparent that acid reflux disease had swollen Ashlee's vocal chords. After consulting Wayne Newton's doctor, she received a cortisone shot to get her ready for the "Radio Music Awards," he said.
It was the band's drummer who pushed the wrong button onstage, he said.
Simpson was the talk of the Internet after the appearance.
"Go away, Ashlee," wrote one on her Web site. "If you wanna be famous for something, choose something you can actually do. Maybe you could get naked for Playboy."
Other fans leapt to her defense.
"Mistakes happen," said another posting. "You're probably all just jealous because you sit at home and wish you were a celebrity and then as soon as one has a mishap, you're right there to rub it in."
Oct 26, 2004 10:39 am From Foxnews:
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Is anyone surprised that Ashlee Simpson can't sing?
I mean come on, we reap what we sow. I'm not talking about crops, I'm talking about the 15-minute culture of celebrity we live in today.
The result is Simpson and any number of other manufactured pop stars, Real-ities and dime store actors.
In case you've been living under a rock the past few days, "singer" Ashlee Simpson was caught with her microphone down — on her hip actually — live on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" when the wrong "backup" track played for her second performance of the night.
Simpson had planned to sing "Autobiography," but instead, the lead vocals for "Pieces of Me," the song she "sang" earlier, played. Not knowing how to handle the technical snafu, Simpson danced a jig and took leave of the stage, leaving her band to play out the remainder of the segment.
"SNL" cut to a commercial.
At the curtain call, Simpson inexplicably blamed her band for playing the wrong song. I guess that was just in case none of us had Tivo or weren't sober when the segment really played out. Hello!
I'm sure her band was surprised to hear it was their fault that their lead singer is a phony, but then again she disses her own sister Jessica (of MTV's "Newlyweds" fame) in a lot of her music, so the band shouldn't be surprised that when the Simpson hit the fan, Ashlee blamed somebody else. How very celebrity of her. And how ironic that the song that was supposed to play is titled "Autobiography."
"SNL" couldn't have scripted that one better, being this could end Ashlee's short career.
There used to be a time when one needed to prove one's self before getting a gig as big as "Saturday Night Live." These days all you need is an established older sister (see Nicky, Jamie, Haylie), a stylist, a record producer and a song track to become a star.
The real Grrr! question, however, is will "SNL" spoof Ashlee's lip synching on their show in one of their future comedy bits? I doubt it.
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I totally agree.
Oct 26, 2004 10:59 am My head hurts
Oct 26, 2004 11:29 am I think that the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that we are being misled. I can respect an artist who uses backing tracks onstage, as long as they are up front about it. Heck, I have never sung karaoke (and NEVER will), but a lot of those people sing a heck of a lot better than I can. And they're not up there trying to fool anybody. They just can't play an instrument!
What seems to be lacking in the world of "get rich and be famous" is a sense of honesty and integrity. There's no respect for the listeners, and there's no respect for the art of making music.
That's why I like to hang out here at HRC. It seems that most of the music I listen to lately was written and recorded by you people. It doesn't get any more real than that!
Jim
Oct 26, 2004 01:46 pm And people wonder why I prefer to go out and hear a local band at a nightclub or bar instead of paying whatever it is people are paying now for the price of a national act in concert. (that was a good run-on setence) It's all just smoke and mirrors anymore. From the recording to the concert... so many can't pull it off. My respect goes out to those who still tow the line.
And of course she blamed the band.... they are all men aren't they?? Isn't that what women do by nature.... blame men even when it's not the men's fault.
Oct 26, 2004 11:50 pm Wow, I cant believe I read through this whole thread. I didnt need to. Oop's she did it again. I saw her miss a cue on one of those morning shows, but keep going, a bit red faced but non the worse for ware. I am one of those jerks who looks for crap like that. I dont believe in lip syncing at all, but what are ya gonna do when the record companies are feeding the hungry masses with untrained pop stars. Indeed, the vocal guide track is no secret, but it isnt made to live by. It should only be used when the effects are more then a live rig can accomadate. Something like 6 voices coming from one singer.
Anyway, the other thing I noticed is they say they cut the vocal track right away. If ya go watch the trailer that is posted earlier in thsi thread, you will see it drags on almost forever as it slowly fades like one of those cheap movies where the guy takes forever to die. I wouldnt doubt it might have been a set up. SNL and the producers have the Kahonees to pull it off if anyone does.
Anyway, doesnt really effect me or my family, give us a bit to smirk at. Then me and the boys go back to rockin.
Nuff said, now lets leave her to her misery.
Oct 27, 2004 12:04 am Oh and Jason, dB. We can go either Thrusday to GC in Roseville, or Friday at Groth in Bloomington.
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