Audio CDR's not playable on all compact disk players?
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Posted on Oct 21, 2004 06:15 am
stebinus
Member Since: Oct 21, 2004
I do recording with a consumer audio CD recorder (Pioneer). I once took one of my finalized CDR's to Best Buy and it wouldn't play on some of the CD players they had for sale. Has anyone ever noticed this problem?
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Oct 21, 2004 06:19 am Sure, the problem is getting less and less frequent than it was 6-7 years ago when I started burning. The problem is that some CD players are very cheap and just don't like the burns. I have a crap DVD player in my home theatre and I get that problem with CD's and DVD's in there too.
Oct 21, 2004 07:18 am Thats funny that - I had similar problems with my original dvd player (one of the fist - big bulky thing when the first come oot).
Now, I got a cheapo one for upstairs and a good one for downstairs. The cheapo one now plays everything and more than the good one - includin MP3 discs, Kodak the lot.
My hifi (a Technics aboot 4 years old) plays CDR no bother...it wont play CDRW. All my players do CDR (except car stereo) but the CDRW only works in the DVD...but, since I wired the dvd via the hifi (with the 5.1) I can test my mixes on a CDRW and it costs me nothing!
Fantastic.
Coco.
Oct 22, 2004 08:35 am Could it have been the disk? It was a PNY brand.
Oct 22, 2004 08:41 am not likely, probably the player. I have burned a 100 spindle of PNY discs myself and haven't noticed them being any better or worse than any common consumer brand.
Oct 22, 2004 02:53 pm maybe my story will help. for me it was disc type. i have had to deal with this problem in my jeep. my jeep doesn't like to play 700 mb discs but will almost always play the 650's. i think 650 is what commercial cd's are and the 700 confuses the player. it took me a lot of experimenting a while back to figure out why some disks played and some didnt. some of the 700's would play, for instance, but i had a colored brand of disk and the orange ones would play better than the blue. so for a few weeks i was convinced it was all about color for some unthinkable reason.
but no. for me maxell 650's play every time. i've found disc brand to be everything, and PNY, if i remember right, was one of the ones that never worked for me. (cheaper brand, comes in a stack with a red label? disk entirely without graphics?)
overall, gotta be cd-r, though. i've met many players that just wont do cd-rw.
Oct 22, 2004 03:56 pm I have my own theory that the burner matters most for a CD and the media (disk) matters most for DVD.
I just got a Pioneer 108 DVD+/-RW drive and it is much better then my old Lite-On one.
Interesting side note: XBox has built in CD protection. I have never seen any CD able to get though it. The ones I burn with my new drive do though, and I am happy.
Oct 22, 2004 04:30 pm Another point for consideration - burning speed may impact on whether or not the cdrw works on a car stereo - apparently (tho still to be proved - I'll try it) - if the cdrw is burned at 1x - it should be good to go in the car stereo I have at least.
CDR's work nae bother regardless of brand. Absoloutely NO cdrw works in my car stereo which is a royal pain in the butt when I use a cdrw to test my mixes on my stereo (via dvd player) and persoanl cd player which plays cdrw fine.
Last stage is the car and it just wont do it. So, I thinks I'll at least try burnin it at 1x and see how I goes.
Coco.
Oct 22, 2004 06:22 pm CD-RWs have a special compound that allows them to be re-written. They aren't as reflective as cd-rs, so they work in very few consumer devices (unless it says "CD-RW playback" on the unit itself). It's to be expected.
CD-Rs however, should play in anything. I have one of the first cd players made, and it plays them. The CD-R brand is EVERYTHING when it comes to compatibility. If you want to make sure your next burn works in a store, use one of these brands:
-Verbatim (absolute best, undisputed)
-Kodak
-Maxell
Go with Verbatim if you can find them. Rock solid.
Oct 22, 2004 06:36 pm i too have heard the 1x theory. i have yet to try that. but so far every 700 mb disc i've tested in my jeep fails, regardless of brand.
i have devised an elegant workaround to the whole problem, though, so i dont care.
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Oct 23, 2004 12:51 am I only burn at 1x and use 700MB Verbatims (DataLifePlus) spool of 50 for $20 ...then a box of jewel cases... 200 for $20
They have worked in everything. Past experience has shown that burning faster than 4x does very bad things. People think CD's are true digital in that the are either read or they arn't and if they arn't then they skip... this isn't true... CD players have various error correction algorithems for all the times they dropout...which is often. So a CD can still play without skipping eventhough errors are occuring. Same thing with DVD and MiniDV/DV... everything suffers dropouts... it's just fudged by the playback system...and the quality of the fudging depends on the playback system. This is also the reason audiophiles think rimming CD's with green marker makes then sound better... :)
I do have a problem with the verbatims not burning with my I/O Magic burner...so I have to use an old HP CDWriter+
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 23, 2004 01:11 pm Honestly the brand really doesnt matter at all. As dB stated, even the cheap stack of 100 for $9.99 work fine without any problems. My son burns pretty much strictly on them and he plays them on everything in the house and all the cars. He even has an very old Sony discman that they play on just fine.
I use nothing but Sony or MicroBoards media when burning for the studio. But I use Maxell as well as HHB, and several other brands without any trouble at all.
The seat of the problem lies solely in the player itself, not with the media. I state this as fact as I finished reading a pretty extensive article on the topic about a year ago. They did research on almost every type of media available as well as about 100 differant players ranging from new to old. And it was discovered that media type had nothing at all to do with its ability to playback normal.
I will agree on the slower burn speed aiding to the readability of the disc for the most part. Although My son Tuna has proven me wrong time after time burning discs at 48x and 52x and not having a bit of trouble with them.
And yes, the CDRW do have the hardest time playing in most car stereos and some boombox types, mostly the cheaper ones. And the problem forty has is also common as some car stereos seem to not be able to read the 700mb disc.
Oct 23, 2004 01:27 pm Aye...I have used all brands of CDR from Sony & Phillips (which were gash) to Datawrite (the brand I now use all the time) which are amoungst teh cheapest on the UK market.
I can get 100 x printable 700MB 48x CDR's for £16 ($30 USD) and they are perfect every time. The problem with burning at high speeds: my theory (which I have proven to myself):
I burn using the DVDROM to read and the CDR to write at the same time using Nero. I can do this up to 16x (reader and writer more than capable) - any higher, I seem to get jumps REGARDLESS of media.
I think its because of the Primary/Secondary buses and master/slave settings. The order I have: PRIMARY BUS = IDE (MASTER) BLANK (SLAVE)
SECONDARY BUS = CDRW (MASTER) DVDROM (SLAVE)
This also causes playback jumps on audio CD's ONLY on the PC. So, I think its the system resource to copy taht causes the jumps in the burn above say 16-24x. Even tho the burner can handle up to 48x.
However, when burning from the HD to the CDRW I can usually get away with a higher speed, further proving my theory to me anyway. I may be off with this but I think its pretty bang on.
Either way, theres little need to burn above 16x unless you are really in a hurry - not that often I assume.
P.S. This all relates to CDR not CDRW which I am stuck with 8x max on my DVDRW which is fine.
Coco.
Oct 24, 2004 05:22 am I use a stand-alone CD recorder and not a computer. Would this make a difference?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 24, 2004 06:10 pm As a general rule the stand alones are supposed to be better. But I dont really buy that theory. I would be guessing but Maybe they are more stable for the burning process. That said, I know they sure do cost a bundle more then a good IDE or USB burner.
Oct 24, 2004 10:51 pm A standalone unit makes a huge difference. If you're using a standalone CD duplication system meant for any kind of cds (data, music) like the one a distribution company would use, then you're okay.
If you're using one of those "home audio" cd copiers, that's not good. Those cd duplication systems (usually by phillips or sony) impose limitations on cds you burn. Last i heard, you had to buy proprietary cd-rs for them, that were labeled "for music".
Oct 25, 2004 12:54 pm Those are the ones. Yup.
