Feb 04, 2004 10:39 am And, obviously, the reverse is true too! I'll adjust things in 5 speaker mode, then it all sounds crappy in stereo mode.
ARRRRRHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Stereo Surround Sound vs. 5 Speaker Surround Sound
Posted on Feb 04, 2004 10:37 am
phatberto
Member Since: Jul 22, 2003
Hey all,
I'm getting very frustrated trying to get my songs to sound good both with stereo surround sound and 5 speaker surround sound. When I think everything sounds good using the stereo surround sound setting (L,R), I'll switch to all 5 speakers (subwoofer, L, R, RL, RR) and it sounds like crap. Any thoughts? Or, am I just retarded?
Thanks,
Lamberto
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Feb 04, 2004 10:39 am And, obviously, the reverse is true too! I'll adjust things in 5 speaker mode, then it all sounds crappy in stereo mode.
ARRRRRHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Feb 04, 2004 10:43 am Well, retarded might be kinda rough, hoe about "surroundedly challenged" :-)
First, "Stereo Surround" is an oxymoron, it does not exist. It is not consistant from system to system as many manaufacturers of recievers and amplifiers have their own apps and algorhythms to create it. So you will never get a good predictable out come.
Worry about stereo and 5.1 surround, don't worry about "stereo surround"...
Feb 04, 2004 12:13 pm I like "surroundedly challenged!"
Sorry for my ignorance on the subject. My surround sound system reads "stereo" for surround mode on the LCD monitor. I can now see why stereo surround is an oxymoron. :)
This may be an even more ignorant question, but would adding more overall compression help level things out when switching between the two modes once things sound good in 5.1 surround? If so, should I continue the old "trial and error" method until things sound better?
Thanks,
Surroundedly Challenged
Feb 04, 2004 01:18 pm I don't think compression is really what you are after...I might have to think about this for a bit...
what are you mixing your surround with?
Feb 04, 2004 02:22 pm it's been my expereince that those surround settings on alot of home stereo systems have a way of ruining a good sounding stereo recording. Maybe it's the delay time, in dunno, but I'm with dB. If you're listening to a stereo recording, use the normal stereo settings.
And don't feel bad, I'm monitoring with a home stereo system too, until I can save up for some monitors. I get decent sounding mixes.
Feb 04, 2004 03:44 pm Also, if you are doing surround audio, please make note that SACD disks are actually two recordings in a clever layered format, one being playable on any CD player as a normal stereo recording and the other layer being the surround layer playable on disc players that understand SACD.
So you may wanna make two separate mixes and make sure you distribute your recording as an SACD.
Feb 05, 2004 12:06 am Indeed dB has it right there, and you might take note as well. What he is describing means you need to make two mixes, one in stereo, and one in 5.1 suround. You cant mix for stereo and have it sound great on suround, and the same goes for 5.1 not sounding good played in stereo. That is why they sound terrible when you change state fo monitering.
Feb 05, 2004 12:40 am Thank you all for your great responses.....I like the idea of making 2 mixes. One for 5.1 and one for stereo. I might just stick to stereo for now anyways (at least until I fully understand and master the basics or recording music). Stereo seems easier to make things all sound good and balanced.
BTW, for my current project I'm using FL Studio (Producer's Edition). For any live recordings, I use Sonar 3. I'm excited now since the updated version of FL Studio supports Re-Wire. I just have to figure out how to use Re-Wire!!!! :)
Feb 05, 2004 04:29 am does FL support surround? Cuz I KNOW Sonar doesn't. it amkes me wonder how you are making your surround sound...how are you encoding it to play it back on other systems?
I am curious about this, because I am very into the whole 5.1 and will be remixing much of my music in 5.1 myself...which means losing Sonar unless they get their act together quick...
Feb 05, 2004 04:26 pm dB, phatberto's mixing down to stereo, but monitoring it on a 5.1 system
Feb 05, 2004 05:06 pm Unless he is using the 5.1 environment in the Creative app if indeed he is using a SB card.
Feb 05, 2004 05:11 pm argh, that's right, sorry, my bad, I hear peeps talking about .51 and I just get all excited...
Feb 05, 2004 05:17 pm one day dB... hehehe... 5.1 will prevail.. hehehe and the world will belong to us! ::kneads hands together greedily::
Feb 05, 2004 09:12 pm I know, I am waiting with bated breath. It is worse when you know it is coming but just dont know exactly when. I am impatiant that way. And I thought I was the patient one. :-o
Feb 06, 2004 01:23 am Sorry for the confusion!
I'm am DEFINITELY mixing down to stereo, but am frustrated because it sounds like crap when I try to listen using my surround sound speakers. I just picked up a copy of the new Computer Music magazine (February edition). Low and behold, there is an article about recording with surround sound. It has prompted me to go to the cakewalk website and ask about the lack of surround sound mixing capability of Sonar 3, Project 5, and FL (since I own all 3). But, thank you all for peaking my interest on this topic. You all make it appear as if everything will eventually be made in the surround sound format! Sooooo much to learn.
Take care!
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