Out of the loop-but got new tune

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The fat one always watches us.
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www.nowhereradio.com/arti...114&alid=-1

its called black water, if youve got time, ive got tunes.
Sent it to crash to see what he can add.
its a work in progress so let me know what to do to make it better.

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Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Dec 06, 2003 02:41 pm

Rather peacefull the way it is. I liked the little echoed voice in there, it kinda took me by surprize for a second though. I can hear a lot of possabilitys in there as well. Ill give another listen a bit later as well, see if any creative ideas hit me.

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 06, 2003 04:03 pm

Peacefull. That sums it up well. I listend a bunch this morning- and i know it needs one more "thingy" but..... im still at a loss.
thanks for the listen noize

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Since: Aug 05, 2003

Dec 06, 2003 07:45 pm

Smooth, easy, dark, somber, beautiful. Confidant musicianship shines through. Tony, this is a very impressive song.

The vocals... are they compressed? I would compress the main vox track, I had to turn it up to make out the words clearly.

I really like this a lot, and I don't listen to much music in this genre. Nice job!

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Dec 06, 2003 07:53 pm

I would add vocal harmony (I'm thinking Alice in Chains' "Sap"). Maybe another guitar track with a really woody, organic sound.

Czar of Midi
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Dec 06, 2003 08:48 pm

OOOOOOO TC, that is a tasty soundin idea. I just listened again thinking about what you suggest, and I can here how that might work well.

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 07, 2003 07:26 am

"Smooth, easy, dark, somber, beautiful. Confidant musicianship shines through. Tony, this is a very impressive song."
Let me first say thats the best review ive ever in my life gotten....
Woody organic sound and SAP... dont quite know.
i messed with it last nite and.... nothing. are we talking a lite acoustic lead-not too intrusive? im stumped.... i cant quite get anything to fit. im very open to somebody putting thier touch on it. goto members.cox.net/stevebaz its song.mp3 add what you will!
ya the main vox is compressed but i can bring it up and clean it more. thanks again for the kind words...

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 07, 2003 10:32 am

man, ive been gittin hella play on nowhere thanks folks!

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Since: Jul 02, 2003

Dec 08, 2003 12:25 am

Hey tony, finally got to give this tune a listen. I don't know about anyone else but I've been having a heck of a time with Nowhere this last week or so.

Great tune, I'm with tincan, I can hear another guitar part in this that would really complement it well. I may even give it a try since you posted a link to download, but I'm not sure I could put what hear into actual sound LOL.
I think this is probably the best one you've done yet to my ear. :)

Dan

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 08, 2003 06:37 am

howa bout an electric gutiar burried along with that voice in back? and old dog have at it. i still dont really hear the next part.... if you hear it in your head try to get it out.. stuff buzzing around in there will interfere with your job and family life....

Help I'm stuck in Utah!!!!!!!!!
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Since: Dec 10, 2002

Dec 08, 2003 06:49 am

Tony,

Sounds great!!
I agree with the Compression Idea. As far as the guitar track that they are talking about, I hear a lightly distorted guitar in the background. I just packed up my amp to send to Utah. I will be in Utah Wednesday. If noone has done anything by the time I get set up there I would like to give it a try. It sounds great as it is now. The only problem I see is if you put in Guitar it might take away from the Harmonica. Also if you get time I requested Feedback on my songs also. They are on nowhere under the Band Twin Twelve.

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 08, 2003 07:39 am

i had a guy come over and record (his first time..never heard himself before- i loved the look on his face) any way we got through 2 tunes sat nite and ive gotta mix those up tonight and im gonna bury the lonelist, heart wrenching electric guitar deep in the mix not all the way through- dont want to mess with harmonica (i dig that harmonica part of this tune) and ill get the vocals out a touch more and bring up the over all volume (i mixed this very late fri nite and i wasnt all that sober, im a naughty monkey)

Frisco's Most Underrated
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Since: Jan 28, 2003

Dec 08, 2003 04:41 pm

hmmm, ever since I moved to my mom's computer (AOL I think is the problem) I can't seem to pull up any nowhereradio pages. So, sorry I can't give a listen.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Dec 08, 2003 09:41 pm

My son was having that problem at his buddys house as well and they have AOL. Now that naswers part of the question. It is AOL and NWR something not right there.

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Dec 08, 2003 10:12 pm

"are we talking a lite acoustic lead-not too intrusive? im stumped.... i cant quite get anything to fit."

I think a woody acoustic organic rythymn guitar track basicly doubling the existing guitar would be killer. I wouldn't add a lead, exactly... it would be superfluous. The music stands on its own as it is now.

Frisco's Most Underrated
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Dec 09, 2003 12:26 am

I don't know what's going on. I emailed Waldo about it, but he says there shouldn't be any conflict, but I'm not convinced that it's not an AOL thing even though I don't have any guesses on what exactly it might be.

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Dec 09, 2003 01:43 am

My thoughts are along the line of Tincan, though finger picked and plucked, (neither of which I'm very good at <G>) Could be clean electric or acoustic and more as accent pieces than a continuous thing goin on..

I'm gonna play around with it and see if I can do it, I'll let ya know. :)

Dan

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Dec 09, 2003 07:54 am

if youre having problems with aol and nowhere try the link in the middle of this thread.

...bringing sexy back
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Dec 09, 2003 08:19 am

and if youre having problems with double-posting, youre probably tony!

...bringing sexy back
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Dec 09, 2003 08:21 am

atually, i posted a reply in here...where'd it go? weird. anyways, liked it, very neil young. cool harmonica too...

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 09, 2003 09:18 am

haha, thats 2wice in 2 days, i think my work mouse is sick. i will beat my mouse, only then will it respect me.
hahahah, thanks for the listen!

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Since: Apr 03, 2002

Dec 09, 2003 09:19 am

if it's NOT an optical mouse roll it over, open the bottom, take out the trackball and clean it out in there, also get one of those pressured aircans and blow out in there and under the buttons and junk.

Dust, dirt and crap can build up in a mouse very easily, and sometimes very quickly...but they are quite easy to clean.

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002

Dec 09, 2003 11:56 pm

I'm sure you already have ideas by now. It took me the longest time to picture the tones I was wanting to hear. They turned out to be a very simple upright bass and a very airy light flute. There's a whimsicle airy feel to the song, a little mystic and definately an acustic earthy feel.

Frisco's Most Underrated
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Dec 10, 2003 02:20 am

that's real nice. Having read the thread, before listening, I was anticipating something "missing". The first listen, I thought is stands by itself nicely. Then, the second time through, I started humming all these other wierd parts to it. I'm thinking of a funky electric bass placed pretty quietly in the mix. Or possibly a moaning e-guitar played in a bluesy style placed lightly in the background (not overcoming the accoustic).

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 10, 2003 09:25 am

i think tonights the night- gotta fix the wifes machine (ill use that time to "prime the pump")
then ill give it a go- and if it doesnt work out ive got a couple of other things to mix together that will take much less thought.

one question, are recorders (the wind instrument with a reed) like harmonicas in the fact that you need to get them in certain keys to work?

I am not a crook's head
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Since: Mar 14, 2003

Dec 10, 2003 01:17 pm

This is a good song. I like your attitude towards the songs you write because you don't dwell on them. It seems that you'd rather turn around and write and record another song than sit and agonize about decisions on previously done songs. I like that. It leaves your work with a very natural, honest and focused presentation. It also gives us more of your stuff to listen to :)

This song is very cleanly done. The contrast in the EQ of the backup vocal is nice and brings some spice to the mix without being distracting. I love the harmonica inthe background. I agree with the above opinions that the song could use something, but it would have to be subtle whatever it is that you decide to do.

How are you tracking the acoustic guitar? It sounds "plugged in", that telltale sound of a peizo saddle pickup. Do you have a mic that you could use, or could you use a combination of mic'd/direct guitar?


The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 10, 2003 01:24 pm

yep its plugged in- right into the mixer. i was just commenting on how your (we were listening to your new demos here at the office) guitar parts have a really great sound. i might start using 2 tracks on my mixer for the guitar part, with straight in and sm57 with slightly diffrent eq at the same time and see what i come up with in the future.
thanks for the listen!

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Dec 10, 2003 01:29 pm

"...might start using 2 tracks on my mixer for the guitar part, with straight in and sm57 with slightly diffrent eq at the same time..."

I did that on a few of mine (Melora My Love, Open Letter, Car Mojo) and really liked the result better than either method by itself. When I get my condensor mic I'll try miking my electric and mixing that with the line in signal... should sound interesting. :)

The fat one always watches us.
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Dec 22, 2003 10:12 am

i just wanted to mention, that i tried it this weekend. (on a new cover tune) but the first time i tried it, i forgot to plug the guitar in, so all i got was the mic'd input. that was good, but i did it again with the guitar plugged in and it came out very good. got some tweaking to do, gonna start from scratch agian tonight i think (it'll be the 3rd start from scratch on this tune) but its great fun as always

I am not a crook's head
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Dec 22, 2003 03:53 pm

Good luck Tony. I know that micing a guitar is a bigger pain than plugging it in, but the reward is worth it. I've yet to try to do more than 1 track at a time (lack of preamps & cables), or else I would have already tried micing & direct recording at once. Let us know how it turns out!

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