Nov 10, 2003 12:33 pm inserts are pretty much a dedicated aux loop for just that specific channel.
Using INsert Points
Posted on Nov 10, 2003 12:27 pm
Loki
Cone Poker
Member Since: Apr 07, 2002
Alright, I've got a rather dumb question here... how do insert points work? If I wanted a compressor on channel 1 do I just run the the signal from the insert point tot he in on the compressor? How would the wet signal return to that channel? Would I run the insert point to the in and the out of the compressor to my effects return? I know that the signal is broken before the fader, set into the unit, and then sent back to the unit on the tip (I believe) of a RRS jack, but I don't understand it really.
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Nov 10, 2003 12:33 pm inserts are pretty much a dedicated aux loop for just that specific channel.
Nov 10, 2003 12:39 pm right, but what I am wondering is where do I plug the output from the compressor into? Or do I not use it at all and just run the insert point into the in of the compressor and it will work like that?
Nov 10, 2003 12:42 pm Ah, I see your prob, OK, here's the funky deal, that one lead is in and out, it's a three conductor jack (much like balanced jacks, the ring-tip-sleeve setup). One is the neg, one is the input and one is the output. But I forget which is which...the sleeve is the neg, but the ring and tip I alwasy get confused...I believe the ring is out and the tip is in, but I might be wrong...
Nov 10, 2003 12:42 pm So, if you push a regular cable in to the first click, the jack can also be used as a direct out :-)
Nov 10, 2003 12:58 pm Alright I see now, If I want to use it as a Direct out I push a cable in until the first click, if I want to run a compressor or other effect on that I push it all the way in and don't use the output on the compressor for anything? Correct?
Nov 10, 2003 01:01 pm Well, yes in short, BUT if you want to use it as a loop, you need a Y cable with a TRS 1/4" at one end and two mono jacks at the other ends, one mono for in, and one for out on the compressor and the TRS goes into the insert...all the way in...
Nov 10, 2003 01:12 pm Typically, insert TRS are:
Tip = Send
Ring = Return
Sleeve = Ground
So the Ring side of the Y cable would go to the output of the compressor, Tip would go to the input of the compressor, the TRS side would go to the insert channel on the board.
Check your board manual to be sure they followed the standard however.
Insert cables typically come labeled, with the 'mono' side marked as tip or ring.
W.
Nov 10, 2003 01:45 pm Okey, so I'll need to buy a TRS Y cable? I can't just run a cable from the insert point to the compressor in and have that work?
Nov 10, 2003 02:01 pm Nope, won't work at all. The output of the compressor has to go somewhere.
Ask for an 'insert cable', not a Y cable. You'll get a better look (instead of a funny one ;) )
W.
Nov 10, 2003 06:40 pm FINALLY! It all makes sense now :) I find that kind of strange. It seems to me that with just about everything else there are separate dedicated inputs and outputs. I've always been like, "What the heck.. why are they called inserts??" Thank you for clarifying.
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