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First post of a mix here. The vibe of the tune is a bit quirky and lo fi. it seems to lack some punch. Any ideas?




https://soundcloud.com/frankiemaxwell/breakneck-gate-new-mix

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Mar 30, 2014 05:07 pm

Cool funky little tune.

The guitar sounds like it could use some thickening maybe double track it, or chorus it a bit, but bring the volume down...the guitar just sounds too out front to me...doesn't blend in.

But then, I am on little Beats laptop speakers too.

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Since: Apr 14, 2013


Mar 30, 2014 05:21 pm

dan- are you referring to lowering the lead melody that is panned center or the 2 rhythm guitars panned wide? or all of them! this is the first time that I had miked my old tiny champ for guitar- I had always used a POD. I kind of dig the honking, barking tone that it gives off.
Question- when duping a track for thickness- do I leave everything the same but place(pan) it in another spot? What would I do with it? I have seen where the metal guys do this and it makes their guitars sound gigantic. I use Reaper for your reference.
Thanks
Frank

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Mar 30, 2014 05:30 pm

Well, whenever I dupe a track I EQ it a little different, more or less based on what else is in that channel as well...not a HUGE EQ difference, but some.

Also, if you have any sort of saturation plugin (ya know, analog emulator type of things) maybe apply some of that to warm those guitars up.

Oh, as for which guitar, panning isn't detected too well on this laptop, but yes, the melody playing lead, on my laptop it's coming out quite bright, sterile and out front. Warming it up and pulling it back a notch might be a groovy thing to do.

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Mar 30, 2014 06:38 pm

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Since: Jan 28, 2003


Mar 31, 2014 02:07 pm

Unfortunately, I can only listen on my laptop speakers these days so take with a grain of salt. But I think it sounds good. It has a bit of lo fi sound, but I think it matches the style of song. My only suggestion, is that I would maybe take the reverb on the lead melody vocals down a bit, to bring the vocals a bit more forward. You could lower the volume of the lead guitar as db suggested a bit also, but I think it sounded ok as is too.

I like the song though.

edit0r
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Since: Aug 17, 2004


Apr 17, 2014 03:55 pm

I'm listening on my bad-boy monitors in the studio.

Maybe its the genre, but the first thing I would look at is the timing of the drums vs guitars. Also, it seems like the song might want to be a few beats faster! Especially in the chorus the vocals drag a bit.

Mix wise, what are you using for your drum samples? Might want to look at something more realistic (this is just a taste thing of course) like BFD for more room tone and stereo spread.

I quite like the balance. Maybe scoop a bit more of the low mids out of the bass and compress it (sounding a bit wooly).

Anyway, cool little song :). I suspect everything I've mentioned you were probably aiming for in the production heh.

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Since: Apr 14, 2013


Apr 18, 2014 12:42 am

Thanks for the listen. I am using an old school alesis SR16 drum machine from the early 90's. I haven't used any other drum samples other than that. You did pick up on the fact that the drums are not in stereo- my Babyface doesn't take 2 1/4" I/O easily so I am stuck with the mono drum loop till I get a drummer over here to liven it up. Funny, how in this medium of recording and writing one track at a time finds you wishing 6 tracks later that you set the tempo a few ticks higher( I agree). The tune is meant to sound sort of wonky and off kilter slightly. I do like the Gibson miced thru a champ tone and I was really looking forward to bailing out on the POD sound I had been using in the past.
Can you suggest a direction for drums that is both realistic and wont take me a month to figure out how to operate? I typically just program a kick, snare and hats on this thing and give up with that as it's so cumbersome to program.
Thanks- I appreciate the feedback
Frank

edit0r
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Since: Aug 17, 2004


Apr 20, 2014 11:34 am

Hmm, I really like BFD but its hard for me to say how difficult it is to operate. If you're used to dealing with MIDI then it should be a breeze! Which DAW are you using?

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Since: Apr 14, 2013


Apr 20, 2014 01:24 pm

I use Reaper. I have not done any MIDI work. I spose if I had a couple MIDI cables this sr16 would go out in stereo- derrr.
Frank

edit0r
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Since: Aug 17, 2004


Apr 23, 2014 09:24 pm

MIDI doesn't carry any audio, but I'm pretty sure the baby face has at least two inputs??

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Since: Apr 14, 2013


Apr 23, 2014 11:29 pm

yes it does have 2 inputs. The sr16 has all 1/4" outputs while the babyface has 1 1/4" and an xlr. I did very recently get an ADA8000 with 8 more I/O that I will be able to run the machine in stereo from here on out. It's pretty clear that I know nothing about midi if it doesn't carry audio! Ha! I have some studying to do on the subject.
Thanks for your input!
Frank

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