digi 01 + power G4 +pro tool =???

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SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
Contributor Since: Jun 20, 2002

Being in Iraq there are benifits , when i'm not dealing with aircraft , i'm studying recording ond all the tools of the trade . I'm starting classes with Berklee when i get back to the states and unfortunatly I have to start all over with a new set up . as some may know I'm a big M-audio and Sonar user ,now I'm going to have the ability ( when i get home) to have 2 systems . i Guess my question is for blue ninja ,who seems to be the pro tools guru ; is it that much different to switch over to pro tools and is pro tools all that is hyped up to be ? I guess regardless I'm going that way to get that whole pro tools administrator deal with berklee .

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Maniacal Genius
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Since: Dec 30, 2002


May 08, 2003 11:28 am

hey Geoff,

Well, I will tell you this. I loved ProTools since I started working with it right up until I started running into the limitations associated with the LE version of it. Specifically, the 24 track limit was starting to get in my way. As a result, I am now in the process of switching over to Sonar. ProTools LE is a great app. I found it extremely intuitive and very powerful. In fact, I'm having trouble trying to adjust to Sonar because I think it's far less intuitive. But that's probably just because I'm used to PT. Is PT all that it's hyped up to be? Well, anymore, I would have to say not really. When I was hearing hype about PT, it was largely centered around the fact that there was no other pro qualilty recording apps out there. That's obviously not the case anymore. I think it will be valuable to learn PT and the concepts apply across most every system you will use anyway. And if you have questions about PT along the way, I'm sure I can be of assistance.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 08, 2003 11:33 am

Of course if you want to spend many, many thousands of dollars on the full blown ProTools software and hardware it might be a lot less limiting :-)

That's kind of ironic Blue, I tried the LE version of ProTools and foundit very unintuitive myself, I feel much more at home in Vegas or Sonar...it's all what you are used to I guess...

Maniacal Genius
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Since: Dec 30, 2002


May 08, 2003 11:42 am

That makes sense. I think some of my problem right now is that I'm dealing with new software (Sonar) and a new I/O (MOTU 2408) and the new digital desk. As a result, I'm never exactly sure where my problems lie! The one really nice thing about the Digi 001 system is that it's basically a studio in a box. There's nothing to getting everything configured to work together unlike my new system.

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
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Since: Jun 20, 2002


May 08, 2003 02:59 pm

I knew most of the replies i would get , because i've been on the anti-pro tools band wagon for so long. I love Sonar I think my passion for it is right up there next to noize's , but I'm finding out he more serious i get into schooling and learning about " the industry" , I find there is Pro tools or nothing ( as in the way of schooling and certification goes) , I'm trying to get things roleing for a job in producing /recording when i get out of the military , that's why the sudden interest in Pro tools ,AND also I'm trying to check what other apps are out there ...even thou I'm content with cakewalk . I suppose in a few months I'll be back here asking Blue tons of questions like i did about 2 years ago when i started with sonar.

Maniacal Genius
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Since: Dec 30, 2002


May 08, 2003 04:06 pm

Bring 'em on Geoff. We can trade info. I'm trying to learn Sonar now and so far, haven't been able to record a single thing in it due to all sorts of configuration problems. Hopefully, that will be the worst part of getting into Sonar, but as of right now, I keep having to talk myself out of just starting back in with PT!

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 08, 2003 06:18 pm

You will also fine, Geoff, from industry trade magazines that Nuendo and Cubase are also making major impact on the industry as of late.

Don't worry about school and cert's making your decisions for you. Schools are rarely that current (at least general purpose schools like colleges and technical colleges). Heck if you would go take a class in web development, your first classes would teach you nothing but markup code that was depricated 3 years ago...seriously...

You are best of learning and using what makes you the most productive and gets you the best results.

Just my two cents tho.

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Since: Apr 28, 2003


May 11, 2003 11:58 pm

Geoff,

If you still want to get into a digi001 rig I would highly suggest going the PC platform route (not because I particularly love PC's) but here are some facts:

1) Pro Tools LE 5.3.1 runs at 32 tracks
2) A Properly configured (Newer) PC can give you performance close to that of an HD1 system. (at least with native plugin count). The same Digi 001 system on the fastest G4 made, performs significantly lower than a Windows system (ie less plugins/less tracks)
3) with windows XP smart Mac users, no longer laugh at windows users reguarding stability.
4) PC's are cheaper than Mac's (Spend less on the computer and get a more powerful system) hmm?
With the $$$ you save you could get some outboard gear. Yes!

I run Pro Tools LE on a Windows Pentium 2.0 Ghz machine and have never run out of power yet.

Shred

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
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Since: Jun 20, 2002


May 12, 2003 08:42 am

thanks fro the imput guys . Shred i could not agree with you more , I'm happy as hell with my right at home ( just click on you profile for info) The whole pro tools bit is just for school right now and so i can be more versed on more than one recording app. I think for personal use I'll stick with my sonar 2.2 . Hay but it doesn't hurt checkin into what's all out there when you have the ability to . I think I'll stick with my PC I have and just check out PT and go from there .

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 13, 2003 07:27 pm

I will also agree with the switching platforms comments. I have used Sonar and Cakewlak porducts since their inception so for me it is pretty intuative, except when they moved a few things in 2.2. But that said, I have used them all and found learning curves to vary greatly. I stopped using Cakewalk for a while and used only Cubase, which was a pain to learn, but when i switched back to Sonar it was also tuff to switch back and get back into it. I will honestly say I am impressed with Sonars latest version and the fact that I added their Project 5 package now gives me every tool I could possibly want and it all runs as one package together via rewire. I will still keep the other apps running as I do get into mixing for others who sill send tracks done in the other apps so it is important to keep them. But my app of choice is and will be Sonar.

But Geoff, go for the PT thing and give it a try, and like dB said, just because the schools say its The platform of choice really doesnt mean every studio uses it. I know of several larger studios up here that run analog and for their digital choice they run Cubase and Sonar.

Peace

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
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Since: Jun 20, 2002


May 14, 2003 11:40 am

that's the plan , I'm going to keep using sonar (i never gave up on ) but bridge off a little and try PT's , just so i can accomidate a few more people and such . I've also tried Cubase , and you're right noize it's difficult switching from one platform to the next . I'm also checkin on the Prodject 5 set up how is that working for you , i'm a big Acid user when it comes to loops , that's what i started with a few years ago and have had no gripes.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 15, 2003 02:57 am

this is odd.. because a lot of people only use acid for loops.

i track EVERYTHING in acid 4. hell, at this point i even sequence in it. dont forget the features that allow for beatmapping and one shots. theyre invaluable.

as for the whole pro tools discussion.. itll be excellent knowledge to have and will make you marketable. and thats never a bad thing. =)

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 15, 2003 09:08 pm

Project 5 is one huge package. It does Acid and then some. It soed way more then Acid but then again it is meant too. You can import your acid loops to use in P5 and just about any other type of sample format. I have not gotten real deep yet, and it is very deep indeed. But I love the control over the soft synths and such, it is an awsome app. Combined with Sonar there is not much you cant do without ever leaving the PC. I am trying to not use my outboard synths and just use P5 and Sonar for an entire project, never leaving the software world for anything.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 16, 2003 02:53 pm

id love to hear the results of that project noize =)

ill have to check out p5.. but even if its good, i doubt ill be making a switch anytime soon; ive got a set up that works well as it is and i know the software inside and out.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 16, 2003 11:04 pm

It got me all dance tune crazed, I think it wass the sounds I picked out first. I got a coupel tracks almost done andwill post em up as soon as their done.

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