guitars and delay.
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Posted on Aug 06, 2010 08:21 am
Dematrix
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Ive been using delay with my guitars as follows.
EG;
Mono delay on a fully panned "left" fx channel, and a guitar right 80 with previous mentioned delay channel getting the fx send.
It sounds good, but im not getting the quality/fatness/stereo airiness i want.
im kinda looking for a stereo spread but i really wanna be able to notice it, the spread the clarity and the heavyness.
things is im not real sure how to do it. Im not sure what style of delay to use here, if there's a perfect one for the job, or even if there's a trick with the timing and feeback etc.
Im using the "mono" delay in cubase as im thinking well, its a mono guitar track and im hooking up to a channel over the other side so i should be using mono, correct? incorrect?
apart from that, im really looking for some real effective ways to delay these guitars.
Tips, or just downright telling me how it is would be grand if anyones up for it?
cheers in much anticipation.
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Aug 06, 2010 10:20 am delay is a nice spice to open up the space for a guitar sound.
have you tried to adjust the delay time to the tempo of the song you are performing?
one good way is to fill the left side with 8th and the right side with 3rd notes (of course vice versa) with more or less (better less) amount of delay repeats
take a look at this: web.forret.com/tools/bpm_...at=4&base=4
of course there are other websites that contain the same.
combine the delay with a reasonable amount of compression with same adjustment to the songs speed.
this can happen to the reverb adjustments as well, to make it sound sitting perfectly well in your song.
try it - thats how i try to make my guitar to sound nice.
stay tuned!
jp
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Aug 06, 2010 09:07 pm thanks mate,
Yeah its kind of a hardy in the sense this stuff is pretty heavy and can get very messy if those times get too long.
Ive been messing with it, but have settled for 22ms with about 2.9 as a feedback setting. anything more on either makes it messy. My thinking is,
im trying to drop the delay in there so it spreads just past the snare and/or kick wherever applicable timing wise.
so when things do settle down you cant really notice it as a delay.
i was kinda hoping for the "space" and clarity without it being really noticable. by that i mean, you notice it by really only the fact it sounds so quality ya know. i dont know how else to explain it without a song, Bling! here's an idea! i will try find a song eh? will be back to post something if i can.
having said all that though, you could well be right, just need to try different times.
i think though i could find a more appropriate delay for this job.
again,not sure if "Mono" delay fits the bill.
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Aug 07, 2010 11:47 am always remember when ur tryin to achieve "space" to think of how the actual phenomena would happen in a space. It would obviously be a very short delay that decays quickly, a kind of early reflection really. I use the Kjaerhaus classic delay, because u can degrade the quality of the delay, which i think helps the illusion. If the delay is too pristine it gets messy FAST. If u dont have an analogish delay than maybe cut off ur high end on the delayed signal via EQ.
Dont stack ur delays on top of ur guitars, if one is panned L 60, than u can either go L30 or L 80 or so, or it will get very muddy
and yes it would be mono delay, just panned to the other side. Ive done it and it worked before, i woudlnt worry too much about exact timings, just ear it, but it will likely be very short. Just imagine how it would sound in the space ur trying to create, that should be a good starting point. Its no use if u dont know wat kind of space ur trying to create from the get go (large hall? club?) or then ur just shooting in the dark
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Aug 07, 2010 08:42 pm hmm thanks cruxy,
maybe its not delay at all, rather a tiled room verb or something, but its fattening for sure. will look into it.
i know what i want its just how to get it.
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Aug 08, 2010 09:58 pm guitars seem to react better to delay from wat ive found as well as read. It just seems that those kind of spacing type effects r created better through delay than reverb, just responding to ur room verb comment. Just from my experience the short delays always give me exactly wat i want off the bat where with verbs im always scrolling through settings and never really getting wat i need.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Aug 09, 2010 08:20 am what you do with your verb tho on gits? If you chuck on some delay, say on 2 gits outta 4,
so delay on one the 80, and the other on 30R, then what would you do verb wise?
would you throw it on "all" gits? say on a group channel or would you only put verb on the ones without delay?
i like my setup thus far, but i want it better. keen to have a look at different ways..
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Aug 09, 2010 11:49 am well the slightly snooty answer would be "wat the song needs" but yeah, if i have verb im using for most of teh song, basically my bands "room" if u will, ill make sure that every element of the song is fed into that verb to some extent. This is to make sure that nothing sounds ilke its in a different space. With the different wet/dry levels for each instrument u get that "back of the room/front of the room" feel and i think its a bit more natural. The delay ur using for space will basically work in this verb as well. If ur verb is creating a "space" the delay bounces (which should decay relatively quickly or ull have a mess) will tell teh listener how far on either side of teh room the instrument is, and thats y ppl use them to create stereo width.
im typing like an authority but im really not, i just tried it a couple of times and it worked as far was i could hear, but with these things u just have to be mindful of clutter.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Aug 09, 2010 05:54 pm yeah i know, i like picking others brains for their ways though.
things being a matter of taste to an extent, they can differ quite a bit, can make alot bit of difference especially if you havent gone down that road before.
cheers man.
