phase cancellation vst.

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Member Since: Nov 27, 2007

I just tried to download one of these but it was just gibberish when i opened it on my Mac.

it was a .sit file, im not sure what the go is there, does anyone?
what file would the file be called? i went back to the site again but this was the only one there for Mac's so i dunno.

can someone point me in the right direction to get one of these from somewhere?

cheers.

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Nov 01, 2009 09:12 pm

by phase cancellation vst i mean one that helps you tell if your stuff is in or out.

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Nov 01, 2009 09:23 pm

i found this at KVR but im not sure exactly how it works.
basicly i wanna make sure i have nothing phasing at all anywhere ya know?


is this what im looking for then?

thanks guys.

www.kvraudio.com/get/3249.html

I tune down down...
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Nov 02, 2009 12:50 am

That looks like it will do what you are wanting. But, remember phase isn't ALWAYS a bad thing. Use it to your advantage. Almost nothing will be perfectly in phase.

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Nov 02, 2009 01:17 am

i downloaded the demo version.
I dont have a fraking clue how to use it. so i guess its not much use to me.

I tune down down...
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Nov 02, 2009 02:43 am

I'll try to remember to look into it and see if I can help.

Typo Szar
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Nov 02, 2009 03:42 am

Try the Schope from stillwell audio, they have a free demo version which surprisingly has very little limitations, it can do alot of stuff as well as show phase relations

but like cynic said, since there is no hard rules to phase relationships, i think in the end u have to listen. Put ur trax in mono, pan them, phase invert them and all of that stuff, see wat sounds right
if it sounds right, it is.

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Nov 02, 2009 03:56 am

yeah, tis what i do but, sometimes in a mix there are that many things going on, that i dont know where to start if im hearing something that isnt right.

If i was getting phase issues with guitars, would that mean its the other guitar tracks causing this or could it be anything in the mix doing it.

does it mostly always come down to timing and alignment of sound?


i want to learn more on phase relationships, so if there are any cool sites or links that be appreciated.

things are sounding good in my mixes but i'd like to learn a few things on the how and why.

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Nov 02, 2009 03:59 am

Oh yeah, cheers for the offer too Cynic, all help is appreciated.
will take alook at schope too thanks Crux.

i have a song called crux actually. not a bad song.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 02, 2009 07:22 pm

And just so you know a .sit file is like a zip file. It is a file packing system like zip only this one is from Smith Micro Software and its called Stuffit.

If you have PowerDesk it can open Stuffit files as well as zip and others.

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Nov 02, 2009 08:11 pm

If you find a good site on phase cancelation, be sure to let us know :] I'd love to read up on that. I really don't understand what happens. I'm sure there's some good interactive websites out there.

Typo Szar
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Nov 02, 2009 11:39 pm

As far as i know atleast on an instrument level phasing only occurs with similar instruments and usually only on instruments recorded from the same source. Two instruments sharing all the same freqs but being played different and with different timbres will have enough difference to not phase out eachother, so if ur trying to break down the phase relationships of ur mix then its probably best to go instrument by instrument. I think the only relationships u have to worry about between different instruments/sounds r things like masking and not actual phasing.

Im just going on my own experience but bad phase relationships dont just occur due to alignment per say, but remember that phasing is how two waves when played through ur speakers effect each other because of their similar qualities. with that in mind, even if the waves seem to line up alright, on a frequency to frequency basis their still might be phasing coz phasing doesnt have to effect the whole spectrum, it can just occur at any one frequency, so im guessing in those cases the perfect alignment wotn be good enough, but eq will be needed.

ultimately though i wouldnt worry about "bad" phase relationships liek i said before its about sound, technically ppl watch out for phase relationships ruining things like their stereo spread and how their mix translates to mono, and thats wat those phase scope things help u figure out, is that if ur mix is spreading nicely or if its being impeded. but if u think ur stereo spread is satisfactory and ur mix translates to mono without losing anything... who cares wat the scope says.

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Nov 03, 2009 12:51 am

Oh certainly. When it comes to audio, if it sounds good who cares if its the "correct" way of doing it. I'm pretty certain you can't ever get fully in phase either; so i guess close counts in horse shoes, hand grenades, and home recordings.

But still, one day when i'm very bored and need to be quiet to not disturb the family, I think i'm gonna look up some serious phase research. It won't REALLY help me out much, but it'll satisfy my scientific curiosity. Looks like i'll need to figure out a lot more elementary stuff on speakers as well :\

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Nov 03, 2009 02:35 am

hey, as long as it sounds right is an a fair enough way to look at things, but,
how do you know how "good" you can get it if you dont have the knowledge on what makes it good and why?

I was having some issues with multitrack guitars and just wanted to have a look at the whole phase thing.

as you metioned crux, probably using the same sound source and guitar had something to do with it. not mention the guitar sound was too distorted and not the best eq to start with.
twas one of my first serious songs in my new studio so i guess its to be expected.

i just have this sound in my head of the perfect guitar sound,
crisp, hard, nutsy, and bugger all outside associated noise.

a great room is one thing ive not got though, so i can only really hope to get it to a certain level.

apart from the room aspect, im using different mic placements, guitars, rig setup, and mics for each take, with low distortion.

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Nov 03, 2009 06:01 pm

What makes this art so hard, especially doing it yourself, is there are SO many variables! I could spend years just working on the guitar tone, even with the measily equipment i have because there are still a near infinite number of tones that could be produced and recorded.

I spend hours finding a good tone for an instrument, and even if i get the tone i want, there's always that question looming in the back of my mind: "Hmm. Could it get better?" and sadly, the answer is always yes. Which takes me back to the drawing board haha.

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