Alright. New Song with Vox.

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I tune down down...
Member Since: Jun 11, 2007

Vocals are ALWAYS the hardest thing for me to sit right. This I do need some help on big time. But, other than that, I love this track! Haha.

That One Ride Home in my MuSaK. :)

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Czar of Midi
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Nov 27, 2008 11:20 pm

I'll give it a listen tomorrow. Too full of Turkey and beer now to concentrate. :-)

I tune down down...
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Nov 27, 2008 11:33 pm

Haha. It's probably a good Turkey and Beer song!

Byte-Mixer
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Nov 28, 2008 03:44 pm

Sweet track man. I like it. Gave it a couple listens.

Now, my room isn't exactly ideal for listening, but I can throw in some general suggestions.

Overall, everything sounds good to me. I'd bring up the vocals up a tad, and maybe back off on the reverb just a hair for sake of clarity. They seem set back a little too far in the mix, and some of the phrases were lost to me in the midst of the guitars, which sound great by the way. Hats seem to sizzle a little, but that may just be my speakers being their bright charismatic selves :P Drums could possibly use a little more punch, but that's just my opinion on the overall feel of the song.

Other than that, I wouldn't touch anything else. the rest sounds great.
The stereo image sounds good, and the guitars are nice and thick. I just had a little trouble making out some of the phrases. Clear that up, and it will be killer.

-J

I tune down down...
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Nov 28, 2008 04:42 pm

Awesome. Thank J. After referencing it from a few different speakers, I'm going to back the reverb off some.

The drums though, not much I can for them sadly. They are EZDrummer. :( Haha.

Also, just got my sub in today at work so I will be really making that low end sound good. Haha! :)

Byte-Mixer
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Nov 28, 2008 06:57 pm

Eh, the drums were just a thought anyway. They still do the job, and they work. Nothing wrong with using EZDrummer, I've heard some good things come from that :)

Looking forward to hearing what you do with it.

-J

I tune down down...
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Nov 30, 2008 01:49 pm

Bump. Re-Uploaded it with tighter vocals and drums. There will be a 3rd version as I just added a sub to my room. But, let me know what you think. dB and Noize? You boys out there!? :)

Veni, MIDI, Vici
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Nov 30, 2008 04:45 pm

Music sounds solid to me Cynic. I would like the vox to be more intelligible. It's kinda hard to understand the lyrics, but that may just be me. That's basically the only remark. Good song!

I tune down down...
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Nov 30, 2008 05:30 pm

Ah. Yeah, I know what you mean. It was actually and ad-lib in the vein of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and Sleeping Dogs Don't Lie so, I probably wasn't enunciating like I should of.

If you guys are interested, I could type up the lyrics. It's a funny story through the thing. :)

Czar of Midi
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Nov 30, 2008 09:43 pm

I liked it as well. I'm with Nightcap on the vox for sure. Bring em out a bit. I know though you are not fond of that.

I'll have to listen again tomorrow though as it was kind of quiet tonight. I'm trying to catch up so it will be late.

http://www.reverbnation.com/2ndg
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Nov 30, 2008 10:11 pm

i thought the guitars sounded really good in particular, nice and tight sounding with good tone.

I tune down down...
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Nov 30, 2008 10:15 pm

Thanks guys. :) One more version to come.

producer
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Nov 30, 2008 11:20 pm

Great original song; a little STP-ish. It's sounding really good. Maybe try bringing the highs up on the VOX a bit for clarity (somewhere around 6 - 10K maybe???), that might help with bringing them out front while still keeping them sitting nice and warm in the mix.

The lows on the guitar might be fighting with the bass guitar a bit specifically during the palm-muted parts, maybe some mid-low notching on the guitar may help with that.

Just out of curiosity, how did you record the guitars...was that a direct modeling system or miced cab? you definitely have a nice sound there

http://www.reverbnation.com/2ndg
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Dec 01, 2008 12:29 am

^that's a good point, how did you record those guitars?

I tune down down...
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Dec 01, 2008 01:38 am

It's just one track left. One track right. Nothing layered. Using my Johnson Millennium 250 head direct. Nothing is mic'ed but the vocals.

Thanks for the tip, Time. I'll try it out.

I tune down down...
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Dec 01, 2008 01:57 am

Double Post:

Alright, cleaned the lows and smoothed the highs. Haha.

Final version up now at a higher bit rate.

Byte-Mixer
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Dec 01, 2008 01:04 pm

I'll give it a listen when I get home tonight and post back, definitely. All I have with me here at work are my ear buds, which don't do much for critical listening hehe.

Czar of Midi
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Dec 01, 2008 06:05 pm

I as well will give it another listen a little later.

I tune down down...
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Dec 01, 2008 06:30 pm

Right on. Thanks guys!

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Dec 01, 2008 06:58 pm

i do know the kick is making those guitars sound even better, quite a good contrast i think.

oh yeah, and of course, its a good song.

I tune down down...
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Dec 02, 2008 12:06 am

Thanks man. My teacher said that the drums don't sound like they are in a room and they sound super fake... I know they aren't real, but are they that obvious?

Byte-Mixer
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Dec 02, 2008 12:47 am

First off, much better job with the vocals. They sound good to me now, and a lot clearer. Now, on the issue of the drums, I didn't think they were all that bad. I did think they sounded a little dry, or thin/closed in. But I didn't feel like they detracted from the mix all that much. Could be your teacher is just being a nitpicker.

You could always try giving the drums a touch of verb, and maybe -slight-slight- EQ adjustments to try and give them a little more of an airy sound (or less if that be the case). I know you're using EZDrummer, so I'm not sure if the drumkit as a whole is stuck on a single channel or split up. Maybe try a little stereo spread or something to give it some room to breathe? That's all I can think of.

Anyway, sounds okay to me. :P

-J

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Dec 02, 2008 01:47 am

i agree with Jbot here, they sound little thin is all, the kick is great i thought, the hats need the mids ripped out of em, but if you only have EZ on one track, not much you can do.

nothing bloody wrong with any of it though man, you'll listen to it in a week or two from now and go, ahh shoulda done this or that there.
its what someone that cares does, no matter how good it is, you'll always be pushing for better.

listen to me, im talking like a seasoned veteran, i havent even posted any new stuff since i been a member here, and im having my own hassels mixing.

good stuff though man, on to the next i guess.

I tune down down...
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Dec 02, 2008 10:35 am

Haha. Thanks man. That's why I went to Superior Drummer instead. It allows individual EQ's, compression, gates, external busses, etc.

Why haven't you posted any stuff since then, Deon? I would like to hear it.

Czar of Midi
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Dec 02, 2008 06:25 pm

Yep, much better on the vocal for sure.

And ya, he's just being nitpicky. I know they aren't perfect but they get the job done very well I think. Maybe a little machine like, but it actually kind of fits the tune.

I still dig the guitars though for sure! Overall, great heavy tune for sure.

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Dec 02, 2008 06:54 pm

my problem is, i used to to record with a mate who was just out of SAE and pretty much knew what he was doing, we were in a band together and we used to do all our own recordings.

these days, although i learnt a fair bit about mixing, im finding out for myself there a millions of things you need to learn along with it to even consider doing it all by yer lonesome.

So the answer to your question is, i've become fussy going by what we used to do, and i guess im just not happy with what im achieving at this point.

not only that, but alot of the stuff we are doing now is a bit hard to sit and program on EZDrummer, but im working on geting our drummer to smash all this down on a Roland electric kit so we can off load the recording from the drum module to EZDrummer on me software.
then can start doing something.


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