Aug 17, 2008 11:57 pm sorry pic didnt work, try this
check my mic setup.
Posted on Aug 17, 2008 11:54 pm
Dematrix
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Im having a bit of trouble getting a good miked sound from my head and cab.
I've been using a little 60watter up till now, but now im trying to mic my bigger amp.
im finding it to be real scratchy and lifless.
here is a pic of the way im setting up the mics, im pretty sure there is no phasing going on, but as i said its coming out pretty scratchy. My amp settings have next to no mids at all.
I dont want to pull a great deal of mids out on the eq in my software as it kinda sounds really squashed if ya go to far with it.
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I guess if some peeps here can check my mic placement(if you can tell from the pic) and tell me if at least im getting it right. Even though i feel there is no phasing going on it does sound thin like there is. But particularly a yuky midi sound.
Cheers
Deon.
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Aug 17, 2008 11:57 pm sorry pic didnt work, try this
Aug 18, 2008 03:40 am Id have to say your reduction in mids would be making it a litle scratchy. Mids tend to help smooth things out. I know you dont really want to but you might boost your mids live and reduce them in the program so your initial audio image has life. Another thing I could possibly say is when using a dual mic setup make sure your in phase... if your mics are out of phase they could be cancelling some of the sound and waves between them. This could explain why theyre lifeless. Try getting some mad static happening and move each mike individual (i.e one muted so you only hear one source) until you hear the clearest sound of the static. Then once both have been positioned perpendicular i guess you could say to the cabinet vary the distance between the condenser and dynamic mic until you here the strongest signal. That static trick works a charm for me and it saves having to get someone to play the guitar, plus its a consistent sound source. Cheers, Boe
Aug 18, 2008 05:06 am thanks for the reply
Yeah im fairly sure they are not phasing, but i did use the white noise technique similar to what you mentioned.
Things is i really dont know a good quality "noise" or "static" from a bad or not so good.
Im going to have to get a mate or something to play while i move the mics about, but that makes it hard as then as the amp may overpower the headphones.
I agree with you in regards to the mid thing. it has no doubt thinned the sound out and as you pointed out it makes the amp behave differently in the respect that it lacks that needed punch.
it can be taken out in the mix later i guess.
I really am striving for quite a clean distorion as well as smooth. I've nailed it with a smaller amp just not with this goliath.
Whicj is another good point, im possibly or almost definatley not driving it hard enough.
Thanks again for the suggestions, keen for some more if they are out there.
Aug 18, 2008 05:11 am just one other thing.
i read an advanced mic technique, has anyone heard of this, or tried it????
mic 1.
find the sweet spot and then move it off the sweet spot a bit so its dull.
mic 2.
find the sweet spot and leave it.
then record your track and use the phase reverse of your software on "mic 1" to bring them into phase.
Aug 18, 2008 11:21 am Quote:
Whicj is another good point, im possibly or almost definatley not driving it hard enough
You've answered your own question.
Try making a box made up of rigid fiberglass and cover with blankets. Then set the amp in a closet, or basement, out of the way and away from your ears.
Then crank that puppy up and only listen to monitors / headphones!
Brandon over at the recording review did this and was greatly impressed with his / their ability to get the required big-rig sound. You just can't get the expected sound out of a big-rig without turning it up, hence the sound-deadening mini-room to knock down the unnecessary volume.
He's using a royer ribbon, but the same theory applies when using a 57 and/or others.
I've read people using the 'find out of phase' and then reverse one, I think WYD mentioned that a while ago.
Personally, I think I'd just go for the (1) 57 first, and find it's happy place, and worry about other stuff after that first mic is totally perfect.
Also, you can angle the mic, and/or move it around the cone of the speaker, to get much different tones recorded. This is where you need someone doing the 'play stuff' thing, while you look for the perfect spot and angle on the speaker. Plus, you can have different speakers performing differently as well. Find the 1 speaker that 'speaks' to you the most (best) and use that.
Most of this above ideas come from an article posted here about a year ago by Tadpui, i think. Some studio engineer wrote a big article about recording guitar. He's quite a potty-mouth, and quite clever with his quips about musicians, but the info is quite good, and seems very well tested.
I can't remember the link, though I do have it printed out at home. Hopefully someone will chime in with the link.
Aug 18, 2008 12:35 pm I would try placing that 57 nearer to the outer rim of the speaker, or angling the 57 out of axis a little bit and see what happens. I would also try micing another speaker from the cabinet, i've noticed they sound different some of them are more bassy some mid-rangy so that may solve your problem.
Another thing, did you tried using only one mic?
You could try leaving only the 57 without the condenser, or likewise, leaving only the condenser without the 57.
Aug 18, 2008 05:21 pm Pjk nailed it about angleing the mic. I used to have scratchy sounding recordings because I used to straight face everything and then using the white noise technique found a point where it didnt sound as harsh or scratchy through a slight angle. Do you have good quality monitoring headphones when your doing this? Bad headphones will give a bad representation of the sound when your initially micing it up. Oh BTW, you should be able to hear difference in the white noise, just listen for the loudest and clearest signal.
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