...and you think your smoking laws suck

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Check out the new smoking law coming in affect on March 31st here in Vancouver.

[quote]On March 31, 2008, virtually all enclosed public places and workplaces will be smoke-free.

This means that it will be against the law to smoke in any indoor public place or worksite, including pubs, bars, restaurants, and shopping centres. In addition, there will be a 3 metre non-smoking “buffer zone” around public and work place doorways, opening windows and air intakes. Designated smoking rooms will be a thing of the past.

Public transit, transit shelters, taxis and work vehicles will also be smoke-free.[/quote]

[quote]The new tobacco-free laws could affect you both as an employer, and as a business owner.

As an employer, you will be responsible for ensuring that your workplace complies with the restrictions on smoking in fully or substantially enclosed workplaces. There are also new requirements for a smoke-free “buffer zone” around doorways, windows that can open, and air intakes.

As a business owner, you will also be responsible for ensuring that your business complies with the new requirements on creating a smoke-free environment for your customers. If you are a tobacco retailer, you will have additional responsibilities for ensuring that your business complies with the restrictions on displaying and advertising of tobacco and tobacco products [/quote]

Even though I don't smoke anymore, I really feel for some of the businesses that are going to take a big hit on this. Many of them spent a lot of money upgrading ventilation etc so as to allow smoking on their premises. All that money spent is now down the drain.

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Mar 13, 2008 12:47 pm

Stores that sell tobacco will no longer be able to display them. You will not see another cigarette pack on display in Vancouver.

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Mar 13, 2008 12:48 pm

Yeah, it's really cool when governments pass laws that put more work on everybody else, too...like a business owner doesn't have enough to do besides being a smoking cop...

Ne'er ate 'er
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Mar 13, 2008 01:03 pm

Same exact thing happened here. First, the law was changed to allow separate smoking areas with separate ventilation systems. OK fine. So the guy at the local bingo hall spent $15,000 making his business compliant.

So then what happens? Six months later, smoking was banned outright in all public buildings. The guy was out 15 grand, and pissed, as he had every right to be.

Smoking is legal. Running a business is legal. It should be every business owner's right to run his as he sees fit, including posting signs outside that read "If you don't like smoke, don't come in."

We have the 15 foot ban in front of the doors here too.

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Mar 13, 2008 01:06 pm

If there ever was to be a law, it should be NO SMOKING IN A CAR WITH CHILDREN PRESENT. None of these laws even address that fact and it is probably the worst example.

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Mar 13, 2008 01:13 pm

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NO SMOKING IN A CAR WITH CHILDREN PRESENT


I think several states have already passed that law. It will eventually be expanded to put parents in jail for child abuse for smoking around their kids at home, and for lighting up at the bus stop within 20 feet of a kid. Watch.

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Mar 13, 2008 01:14 pm

Quote:
I think several states have already passed that law.


Really? Cool. Nothing like that here..... yet.

The Czar of BS
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Mar 13, 2008 01:47 pm

Those laws have been in effect here in Philly for the past two years. And they decided to take it one step further, it is now legal for an employer to fire a smoker. Just on the grounds for being a smoker. Because it raises everyone else's insurance rate.

An independent study conducted here found that smokers did not use their insurance anymore then non-smokers did. In fact, they found theirs to be slightly less. Instead they found that over weight employees were biggest users of health insurance. But, it's discrimination to fire someone Solly on their weight. But it's not discrimination if they are a smoker.

How does that work?

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Mar 13, 2008 01:53 pm

Strange indeed. I also read that smokers actually cost the health care system LESS than non-smokers. Reason being that smokers die sooner. This is the opposite of what has been assumed for many years.

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Mar 13, 2008 02:11 pm

Ha ha, that's crazy, about the dieing earlier thing...

Anyhow, most of these rules have been in effect in CA for a long minute. Except, I think you can have designated smoking rooms still... but I haven't seen one since like 2002... so who knows.

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Mar 13, 2008 02:19 pm

As far as I know, Vancouver was a very early adopter of this type of law. I'm pretty sure we adopted the law around the same time as California.

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Mar 13, 2008 02:49 pm

Yeah,we all know that its better for you not to smoke,but here in UK new smoking bans are everywhere.Before all these bans my car was a no smoking zone but not now. Ive declared it's a smoking zone! I say smoke while you can,it's gonna be banned from here next.

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Mar 13, 2008 02:50 pm

The day will come when smoking is simply outlawed like any other drug...and that law will work GREAT I am sure...

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Mar 13, 2008 02:54 pm

Yep, Calif has been that way for a long time. It's even illegal to smoke on many state beaches, though it doesn't seem to be enforced to strongly. It's never bothered me though even though I do smoke. I don't even smoke in my cars any more, makes long trips interesting b, now I just need to get where I don't smoke in my house any longer. :)

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Mar 13, 2008 03:01 pm

Yes,but stuff being outlawed doesn't always stop it.

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Mar 13, 2008 03:05 pm

Stuff being outlawed NEVER stops it...it only means somebody else will profit from it...tax free.

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Mar 13, 2008 03:52 pm

Anyone remember the skit that Bob Newhart did about the tobacco? Gotta find the script or video of it. Funny as heck

I am not a crook's head
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Mar 13, 2008 03:57 pm

I'm just pissed because cigars are being lumped into the same category as dirty, habit-forming, crack-like cigarettes. That sucks that before long here in Kansas City I won't be able to sit in the tobacco store's lounge, enjoy the leather furniture, watch sports on the 3 plasma TVs, enjoy a game of poker, brink my own scotch, and smoke a cigar. How many cigarette "hangouts" are there like that? Different end of the spectrum to me.

Ne'er ate 'er
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Mar 13, 2008 04:00 pm

The law allows smoking in tobacco stores here, and in any other establishment that makes a certain high percentage of its sales from tobacco products.

And casinos.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Mar 13, 2008 04:05 pm

Pretty much the same laws that we have in Anchorage. Not strongly enforced in regards to the 20' away from the door but they can if they want.

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Mar 13, 2008 04:53 pm

I wonder how this will affect the pot smoking businesses around here. The law clearly states "tobacco".

I am not a crook's head
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Mar 13, 2008 04:56 pm

The proposed law here in KC will do away with smoking even in tobacco shops. Thats so ******* retarded.

If you go into a tobacco shop, more than likely you're a tobacco user. More than likely, you expect to be exposed to tobacco smoke, more than likely you expose YOURSELF to tobacco smoke regularly. Even the employees of a tobacco shop smoke 9 times out of 10.

It just makes me so damn mad. And it's going to pass, no doubt about it. Too easy of a vote for non-smokers that don't realize there's difference in the indulgence of cigarette tobacco and the indulgence of cigar and/or pipe tobacco.

That's like outlawing wine because EverClear was deemed harmful, or outlawing Edam cheese because somebody all hopped up on Kraft Singles knocked over a bank. Retarded.

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Mar 13, 2008 05:00 pm

Quote:
That's like outlawing wine because EverClear was deemed harmful, or outlawing Edam cheese because somebody all hopped up on Kraft Singles knocked over a bank.


Can I steal that for a song?

I am not a crook's head
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Mar 13, 2008 05:17 pm

LOL absolutely! :-D

The Czar of BS
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Mar 13, 2008 05:19 pm

Yeah, you gotta watch out for those guys hopped up on Kraft singles. Dam Kraft heads, running around looking for calcium, moving to Green Bay. Somebody should something about that!

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Mar 13, 2008 06:25 pm




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Mar 13, 2008 06:32 pm

Sweet! Thx Zek!

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Mar 13, 2008 08:33 pm

have had those laws here for about 2/3 years, the smoking in cars in general is next apparently, its a 5 metre zone for doorways out on site(work) and only in designated areas anyway, bars, clubs, restaurants, enclosed areas in general.
No advertising etc, etc.
Yet they still sell em!
Not that im against smoking or anything, but unknow obviously they are admitting things about cig. smoking by making these laws, yet because they make so much from it they'd be mad not to sell them.
a miilion and one things could be brought up about this...why bother.

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Mar 14, 2008 10:23 am

Quote:
I think several states have already passed that law. It will eventually be expanded to put parents in jail for child abuse for smoking around their kids at home, and for lighting up at the bus stop within 20 feet of a kid. Watch.


I wish North Carolina would pass that law. I think it is definitely abuse when you smoke around your children, especially in closed quarters. I just went through a custody battle and smoking was a major issue for me, so much that keeping a NON-smoking home is part of our parenting agreement. Im waiting for the X to test this, because im not afraid to spend 5k to take her *** to court over it. Its pretty sad when your 8 year old daughter smells like smoke along with her school backpack and everything in it. LAME.

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Mar 14, 2008 10:25 am

My neice has asthma (or asthma type breathing issues) that seems to only act up and need to be medicated after she gets back from visiting her dad...who is a complete jackass that cares nothing for his kid, only as leverage against my sister...

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Mar 14, 2008 10:37 am

the kicker is, my daughter doesnt have genetics on her side. My mom has had a double mastectomy. My X had a mastectomy a year ago. She quit smoking long enough to have plastic surgery, then started back up with a vengence. It was so bad my daughter gained a huge complex. Her homework papers would reek of smoke!! I dont get it. if i had cancer and lost a testicle i think id be done with smoking.

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Mar 14, 2008 10:46 am

yeah, my sisters x is a lymphoma survivor, still smoking, drinkin, druggin...

bright fella, I tells ya.

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Mar 14, 2008 03:11 pm

Man, I live in Vancouver and as far as I can remember, we haven't had smoking indoors since before 2000. In public places for sure. I remember the owner of this establishment used to walk around the office with his pipe in his mouth. (Even after the law passed).

Incidentally Beerhunter: do you attend VFS, Columbia A, BCIT, UBC, SFU? Just curious. I'm pretty sure Trebas is defunct.

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Mar 14, 2008 03:20 pm

Heya hueseph, I attend Douglas College in New West. It was the only course I could find/afford that was during evenings. I wasn't in a position to attend full-time.

www.douglas.bc.ca/program...ngineering.html

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Mar 14, 2008 06:36 pm

I never knew Douglas had any music courses. I graduated from the Columbia Academy two year course in '95. The most expensive studio time I've ever paid for. $14000 would've gone a long way to setting up a studio for myself and I would've probably learned at the same pace.

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