Vinyl collection recording - legal or piracy

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Member Since: Jan 18, 2008

I have private collection LP-s and singles. What low consecvensies are if I record them and transfer on CD-s?
I spend hours and hours to master recorded sound and I wish to know is it legal or piracy.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jan 18, 2008 09:33 am

According to the RIAA or the real world?

The RIAA seems to be wanting to set the precedent that what you are doing is illegal, but you bought the LP's, you own the music, common sense would say it's not.

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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Jan 18, 2008 09:45 am

The RIAA and the MPAA want you to believe they can see into your home and know everything that you do, and who you're doing it with. Don't fall for it. They're full of ****. Copy to your heart's content.

<clears throat> For your own personal use, of course.

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Since: Jan 28, 2003


Jan 18, 2008 03:12 pm

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure there is a personal use allowance, that you are allowed to make 1 or 2 copies of music for personal use/backup.

I would copy and be fine with it. Now if you copy many times and try and sell it or give it away, that might be an issue.

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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jan 18, 2008 03:19 pm

who the hell knows any more. It's pretty sad when a bunch of audio peeps like us dont know for sure. I think that is part of the strategy. Confuse everyone with scare tactics.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jan 18, 2008 11:14 pm

The personal use allowance may be tossed out the window if the RIAA gets their way. They even want that considered piracy. My personal take is I paid for them so I own them. If I want to keep my vinyl in good shape I am certainly going to transfer it to a more usable means these days. And I will argue that one till the day I die.

You own them so making yourself a more usable copy is legal in my book.

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Since: May 11, 2002


Jan 19, 2008 12:50 am

in the US reproduction is an exclusive right to the copyright holder... with very few and specific exceptions..mostly for broadcasters.

The 'fair use' clause however is what would be brought up... and sweeping rights are given to librarys and archives and conservation in statute.

Being that the courts allowed 'time shifting' with VHS... it is reasonable to argue that 'format shifting' is allowable too.

The RIAA on the other hand is staring down a class action lawsuit involving violations of organized crime law ... aka fraud, racketeering, etc.

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Since: Jan 18, 2008


Jan 21, 2008 02:25 am

Thanks!
I see that RIAA have rights etc. But what is with rare vinyl recordings, old recordings etc. In some cases you have only few copies and nobody else. What company have patent rights if you want to make your model of turntable or needles or turner? What is diferent, how many years must be gone? OK, it isnīt same, but every mastering or remastering is creative, and my or someone else work on same LP sounds different. Whatīs happend with this?

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jan 21, 2008 08:28 pm

Well, the RIAA is actually abusing the rights that were put forth originally to protect an artist.

And they are actually trying to say that even making a back up copy of material you already own is illegal. Which it isn't as you own it and with the case of vinyl, especially rare vinyl it is a must in my book to have it recorded to another format to preserve the vinyl for future generations.

That is my take anyway.

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Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jan 21, 2008 08:43 pm

because formats appear and disappear, i believe it's got to be a fundamental right to switch things you own over to other formats. i spend a good deal of time doing it. old VHS home movies of mine are now mpegs and ipod-ready. at some point i'll have to put them into another format. at each change, you've gotta do it, and it'll be this way, and these organizations better get it through their heads.

ps: i have some old brother word processor documents that i desperately want to convert to word format, but i've never found a way to do it. sucks. anyone know of a way to take care of that?

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jan 21, 2008 09:05 pm

The RIAA web site got hacked over the weekend. bahahahaha

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Since: May 11, 2002


Jan 21, 2008 10:21 pm

it doesn't help when your email bounces forty :)

send me an example at zekthedeadcow at hotmail and I'll see if I can dig up anything.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jan 21, 2008 10:30 pm

They deserve it the way they have been acting lately. Serves em right.

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