Dec 10, 2007 05:18 am After that jackass "guaranteed a win" I was personally glad to see him be made a fool of. not necessarily to destroy the team the way they did, but man, they picked that one dude apart. some "Smith" dude wasn't it?
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Posted on Dec 10, 2007 04:24 am
fortymile
Member Since: Jan 18, 2003
will somebody please, please stop them? playoffs?
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Dec 10, 2007 05:18 am After that jackass "guaranteed a win" I was personally glad to see him be made a fool of. not necessarily to destroy the team the way they did, but man, they picked that one dude apart. some "Smith" dude wasn't it?
Dec 10, 2007 05:56 am yeah, smith is an unknown, a new guy just starting out. that was a really dumb comment he made. it was two comments in one, though. tried to have it both ways. guaranteed a win, then qualified that with 'IF we play our best game.' so i kinda am with him on the 'quote me correctly' thing. at the same time, he should have been smarter than that. don't even go there, smith. that was dumb.
but he's made some great plays so far, in his early starts. that's why i know of him. i had to go look up his number when he suddenly appeared doing crazy things early in the season. now he's really an underdog because of what he said. hope he wises up. more than that, i hope polamalu heals. then we can just avoid smith.
i thought that the pitt game plan was way too conservative. i like tomlin a lot, but it was a mistake not to use roethlisberger. he is more than capable of being a deep threat. you don't wanna be running late in the third, down by three scores. it makes no sense, and i was yelling at the walls. you can cover all that ground instantly with well-designed pass plays, patriots style, which is a thing that pitt can actually do. but they didn't open the door to that, and that is a shame. i am glad he didn't make any big errors. played well, and his postgame comments are ultra-classy. if you don't already like ben, his postgame comments might be a reason! total honesty.
if it comes down to NE/dallas, i will become a cowboys fan. heart over mechanism, always. this patriots arrogance is something i've never seen before. whether it's deserved based on performance isn't the question. it's that it's there, and it needs to be shut down, as a matter of principle.
it could possibly happen. the ravens: how the hell did the ravens win that game? (and they did, truly.) the ravens suck this year, but they were astounding last week.
Dec 10, 2007 07:10 am Quote:
quote me correctly
ha, welcome to celebrity life, smith!
I didn't watch that much of the game, so I can't comment that much on the game plan, who did what and so on.
As far as NE goes...I guess I don't see any more extreme of arrogance than any undefeated team would have. I think most of it is imagined by the haters.
Tomlin is a young coach, but he's another guy that I think can stick with the Steelers and make something huge over a couple years. Pitts isn't big on playing musical coaches, I think they did pick a winner with Tomlin.
Dec 10, 2007 09:49 am This was the first time in my life as a Chiefs fan that I wish they had not played our game. I would have much rather seen the Steelers/Pats game than see my boys get destroyed 41-7.
Honestly, I hope that the Pats do end up with a perfect season. I think it'd be awesome to have a team do that in our generation. Even more remarkable in the free agency era.
Dec 10, 2007 09:53 am Yeah, and then we could quit hearing about the surviving members of that damn Dolphins team...
I personally think it's cool I am watching a dynasty in the happs...
I like it more since Brady is my FF QB (in the other league).
Dec 10, 2007 12:18 pm Smith's an idiot.
IF he'd played to the best of his abilities (which he didn't), and IF he was anything but a second stringer/special teams guy (and special teams have not been wonderful for the Steelers in the last few years), and IF he'd made the team in any way other than by Palumalu being out on IR, it MIGHT have been reasonable. As it stands, it was a ridiculous thing to say.
He was ineffective, and got seriously burned on a number of plays.
The Pats are very good, and they have a pretty easy ride from here on in.
AFC Championship? Maybe the Black and Gold can be prepared for that...
Dec 10, 2007 02:32 pm The Dolphins will beat 'em. The Dolphins always beat teams that are X-0 however bad they are. They beat Denver the year they were undefeated at 14-0 and another team recently also.
But I agree, those aged Dolphins are PITA's so I'd be happy to see them gone, then in 40 years we can see Tom Brady out there willing on some team to beat an undefeated :)
Dec 10, 2007 02:38 pm Has there ever been a season in the NFL where one team when undefeated, and another went winless?
Has any team managed to have a winless season, and an undefeated season (ahem, Miami...)?
I don't think anyone will stop the Pats before the post season.
It's those damned Cowboys I'm beginning to worry about. Geeesh!
The NFC are actually throwing up some contenders this year!
Dec 10, 2007 02:46 pm The Patriots could lose because they have nothing left to play for. Even the undefeated (corrected) season might not be enough. Since I have Brady in the FF league and the league runs to week 17 I REALLY need them to play well. They could just take the foot of the gas or play an potentially meaningless for both teams last game with the Giants.
Peter King says that Dallas v Patriots or even Green Bay vs Patriots would perhaps be one of the highest ever rated Superbowls.
Dec 10, 2007 02:48 pm I'd say an undefeated season (which I presume you meant) is plenty of motivation to play...being the second team in NFL history to do it...yeah.
The thing I hope is that they play to win not to destroy and get their aces out of the game when they can to not risk injury and whatnot...
Dec 10, 2007 02:55 pm db, i have considered whether the arrogance is imagined or not, and surely some of it is that, but there are things you can point to, too. belichick is arrogant; just watch the press conferences. brady last week smiled crookedly and said he would have made that first down in the ravens game if that whistle hadn't been blown, which he claims he heard. i doubt that. brady this week said something unprintable to smith, but if one newspaper guy's paraphrasing is accurate, then screw brady. i like that both ben and brady seem to respect each other though.
anyway, yeah, i hate this pats team, and it has a lot to do with the fact that they're a mechanism. i think belichick is pretty much an amazing coach and that he has the most to do with this team's success. i just don't value huge success for a cold, calculating team like this. i prefer to see teams pull great wins out of themselves, from within.
Dec 10, 2007 02:59 pm Oh, now Belichick is cocky, no doubt about that...but that's him, not THEM. Now, you have a problem that Brady said something to Smith?!?!? Now forty, that's just you being petty and one sided. If I was Belichick I would have liked to offer a bonus to the player that laid out Smith the best.
The interaction between Ben and Tom was nice to see. It is cool to see rival show mutual respect and act like adults on the battlefield.
But man, you having a problem with Brady saying anything to Smith, now I really find that somewhat laughable.
hahaha...seriously.
Dec 10, 2007 03:59 pm My point is that I don't think the undefeated season is enough motivation to, perhaps, take the foot off the gas enough to let one slip. Only a perhaps though.
Gregg Easterbrook says he finds Tom Brady's constant smirk and cockiness too much. It's almost like he is SO COOL that he doesn't have to try and he knows it. I can see that myself :)
Dec 10, 2007 04:13 pm BTW: My local paper had an item today about Green Bay running play action fake passes with a 24 point lead in the 4th quarter and how no one kicks up a stink. So yes, everyone is picking on the Patriots :)
Dec 10, 2007 04:15 pm no, i don't have a problem with brady or anyone saying anything to smith: smith deserves it! it's what brady said. if the paraphrase can be believed, then what he said was cold, angry, pissy, and prideful in the bad way. one paraphrase/guess begins 'f*** with the patriots, and...'
yeah, that's fuel to me. big ego in the bad way.
the patriots are also the team that wiped their feet on the charger's centerfield logo, which pissed off tomlinson last year or the year before, and LT was mad about it. i hate this kind of behavior, and the patriots sort of embody it.
Dec 10, 2007 04:16 pm tony, what do you mean about the green bay thing there?
Dec 10, 2007 05:30 pm Nothing much. Apparently Green Bay and "Mr God" Favre ran a number of deep pass plays when leading 24 point in the 4th quarter. This is what a lot of people have been picking on the Patriots for i.e. "running up the score" The comment was only made that when the Patriots do it people pick up on it, when Favre does it, no one notices :)
Dec 10, 2007 05:33 pm yeah, they did, but Favre can do no wrong...the Pats can do know right.
forty is just a sore looser ;-)
"*** with the patriots and..."
So?
Major mountain/molehill thing here, bud.
Dec 10, 2007 07:10 pm if i'm a sore loser, why was i more upset about the outcome of the ravens game? they're my division rival. the fact is that i don't like patriots. you can put that one on me, cuz that's true, and it may color some things for me.
but i do detect a kind of arrogance there which i don't like. i could be a fan of any other team in the nfl and i would still notice, so it's not actually about this game (which, believe it or not, i actually expected pitt to lose: the only thing i think i said on this board was that indy and pitt were the 'best hope.')
yeah, i don't like that sort of comment, if that's what the specific comment was. this team pretty much lost in all the ways that really matter to the ravens one week ago. i accept the outcome of that ravens game of course, but everyone could see who played the better whole game that week. so in making that comment, is he really backing it up, or is it some kind of weird sense of entitlement and ego? a little bit of both maybe, but all i can say is that coming from him it rubs me wrong. honestly, the patriots are this year's clubber lang. everyone else is rocky.
Dec 10, 2007 07:28 pm Rocky beat Clubber Lang didn't he?
The sore loser was just trash talkin ya dude, I understand what you are saying...however, it does lead me to wonder if you have ever played a sport at any competitive level, even high school...
My wife laughs when she sees guys stomp around the field after a big sack, or great catch, or when they start trash talking, my response to her immediately is that she has no clue the adrenaline (and arguably steroids) pumping thru their veins during a game. Even at the high school level I remember so much testosterone and adrenaline going through my body I literally picked up a threw a 350 lbs guy once...I also remember getting in to people's heads, trash talking, whispering **** in their ears when behind them and them doing it to me and stuff like that (and I played in a parochial school conference)...it's part of the game. It's not arrogance, entitlement or anything else, it's the game.
If I was having that kinda season(s) I'd be walking with a swagger and have a smirk too...I mean seriously...
Dec 10, 2007 08:20 pm ultimately rocky did beat clubber lang, but it took two hours before he did it! haha it's just the attitude i'm talking about. it reminds me of mr t in that movie.
yes, for the reason you mention there abour pro sports, i do actually excuse brady. i played an organized sport, and the rest of my time was spent playing all street sports, three seasons out of every four. so i know exactly what you mean. but man, what i'm trying to do here is just focus on one facet of this thing because of who this team is.
i don't know what happened specifically on the field at that moment, but here's a thing: smith's original comment was really casual (if stupid) and delivered in a non-antagonistic way. and tom explodes in rage? pfft. something better have transpired on the field to cause that outburst--someone must have said something to get him mad right there--or else that's kind of ridiculous as hell and reflects badly on tom. he's not owed anything. in fact, what you DO wanna do is f with the patriots, as often as possible and as hard as possible. screw him, i say. that comment would piss me off. and like i said, hopefully something unseen motivated it at that moment, or else screw him.
Dec 11, 2007 06:14 am oh man! i just found patriots spyware in my system!
Dec 11, 2007 07:10 am get a grip forty, I think we're losin ya man...
Dec 11, 2007 09:18 am Funny story...for everybody except forty...
www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/12339146.html
Dec 11, 2007 09:21 am Quote:
Apparently Green Bay and "Mr God" Favre ran a number of deep pass plays when leading 24 point in the 4th quarter. This is what a lot of people have been picking on the Patriots for i.e. "running up the score" The comment was only made that when the Patriots do it people pick up on it, when Favre does it, no one notices :)
Apparently I must have been watching a different game! Favre only threw three passes in the fourth quarter, two of them were short passes to the fullback, and the other was a short dump pass to the tight end, which he ultimately ran 46 yards for a touchdown. What's he supposed to do, fall down on purpose? On the other hand, they ran the ball eight times, including seven running plays in a row on their last drive.
Here's the game's play-by-play:
www.nfl.com/gamecenter/pl...&week=REG14
Read that and tell me that the Packers ran up the score.
Dec 11, 2007 10:34 am You'll have to note the "apparently" since I read it :)
Wow, people really are sensitive and lose their sense of humor over football here. This doesn't even happen in the football forums I visit.
Dec 11, 2007 12:31 pm BTW: Reading some stuff today the Patriots do not have a meaningful game now until Week 2 of the playoffs Jan 12th. That's gonna mean 5 weeks without a really meaningful game. This might be motivation enough to go for the undefeated.
Now Coach B. may have another agenda, such as losing on purpose to someone just to piss everyone off :)
Dec 11, 2007 03:05 pm Not necessarily "sensitive"...I just knew you wouldn't want to go around spreading false information, so I merely supplied you with accurate information. :-)
Actually, I was trying to impress you with my research skills, but I guess that didn't work either. :-)
I could have just replied, "Blah blah the Packers would never run up the score blah blah", but instead I did some digging and backed up my claim with hard, cold statistics. :-)
It's all good. You've probably figured out that I rarely know what I'm talking about, so when I do I want to be sure that people hear me!
Dec 11, 2007 03:58 pm Very little in my life is taken seriously :)
I, personally, don't believe there is such a thing as running up the score. Teams should maximize as much as poss.
It's the media bias I'm not so keen on at times.
Dec 11, 2007 04:36 pm db, that article doesn't bother me. i thought smith was dumb in using that word. i remember when some stevens guy did something similar right before super bowl xl. it gave porter the chance to break his own silence and start some trash talking in response, and stevens got burned several times in the super bowl. somehow making promises affects your own performance negatively in the actual game, or seems to more often than not. it doesn't seem to be just the other team which gets motivated, it's like you start to mess up, yourself. a lot of times, anyway, it seems.
Dec 12, 2007 10:37 am Belichick and the Pats are the real deal, i just wish Charlie Weis was half as good as belichick. :(
16-0 or a superbowl?
Dec 12, 2007 05:05 pm the filename of the spyware i found: onedimensional.robot.trojan.spyglass.NE.exe
*sweats*
Dec 12, 2007 05:28 pm The Cowboys will stop all, or so my wife thinks :)
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