Problems burning cd's

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Member Since: Feb 19, 2007

Hello,

I have been having difficulties when trying to listen to my burned cd's of my bands music that I have recorded and bounced. I use ProTools for mixing and mastering, and as far as I know, I have been converting the files to WAV 44100/16-bit recordings upon the final bounce.

All of the files have been recorded to cd-r's. Some of the cd's that have songs on them that I have recorded play in different cd players, but frequently they do not play in my car.

I have read in other forums that it could be the car cd player that is the problem, and some say that it could be the cd-r itself. However, when I burn a disk that is from music that is from another band (mainstream music), onto the same type of disk, using the same burner (usually Itunes), it always plays on all the cd players, including my car.

Is there something that I could be doing wrong with regards to the bouncing of the audio, or application of dither, or something else when recording?

One other thing - I sent my bands music to a friend to master for us - he used logic - and when he sent it back and I burned it on a disk, it worked out just fine in all cd players.

What could be the problem?

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Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 05, 2007 09:45 am

Some CD players won't play burned CD's...it's not much of an issue with modern CD players, but with older ones burns can make problems. It's likely the player, if the CD plays in any player, it's done right...

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 10:08 am

I'm sure that there are cd players out there that have problems playing back burned cds (I've experienced that before) - in this case, my car cd player plays back all of my burned cd's from major artists. For example, I have a burned copy of Incubus, Red Hot Chili Peppers, etc. that I keep as backups in my car so I dont have to move cds all the time. They play fine. But in this case, the music that I've physically recorded and bounced doesn't play when burned to a disk like those do.

Ne'er ate 'er
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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Jul 05, 2007 10:14 am

I started a thread about this same problem a while back and didn't get any answers. All I can figure is that the burners we're using aren't planting some code on the disc that some players are looking for. I've used Nero, Burrrn, and the Adobe burners, and my Sony DVD player won't play any of them. But you know Sony and their anti-piracy measures...

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 05, 2007 10:20 am

Interesting. Are you using the same app to burn the major label discs as you are your own stuff? Perhaps your own stuff is getting burned to standard redbook compliant format...maybe?

Ne'er ate 'er
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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Jul 05, 2007 10:26 am

It sounds like when he copies a commercial CD, whatever that mystery "legitimizing" code is, is getting copied along with it. It seems our burners are missing a step in the authoring process that commercial manufacturers use.

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 10:28 am

Yea, that seems exactly like what the problem is... no code or something?? I'd love to know what the issue is, because I'd like to be able to hand out demos and know that they'll play in everybodys players.. otherwise, its kinda a waste of time

Ne'er ate 'er
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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Jul 05, 2007 10:31 am

Noize2U said that his son had the same issue, and found a workaround or a way to fix it, but I never heard back from him on the details. Noize?

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 10:35 am

i cant imagine it just being a problem with protools.. my buddy used logic on our stuff last time and it worked out perfectly... In the past, i put a mainstream song on the cd as the first track and then put my songs on there next.. then they played more regularly. could it be an issue of some disk-initializing thing?

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 05, 2007 10:35 am

Probably just some simple metadata in the image...I can't see where/if you said the app you use to burn. I have never personally seen this issue so I can't speak from experience, but, are you adding the title and author when dumping it to the final wav or the CD image. That info is used to display the song title on players that do that. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

Also make sure your session is closed on the burn and other common sense stuff.

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 10:37 am

What software do you recommend for burning?

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 10:41 am

as a matter of fact, what programs do you usually use for recording, mixing, mastering, burning? What is your process? Is there anyone who uses protools who never has trouble bouncing and burning their finals?

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jul 05, 2007 10:42 am

yeah i do duplication, and have this issue from time to time....i was thinkin' it was your software that you're using...use a program that burns to "red book standard"

Wavelab (what i use) and Final Cut Pro are some good ones.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 05, 2007 10:50 am

Yeah, WaveLab or Nero are the two I use. Nero is what I use most of the time...Nero 7 Ultra, great package of apps for media creation.

I would have a very hard time thinking it's a ProTools problem...just not likely...

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 11:07 am

Could it be the prep? I know that in order to be redbook compliant, there needs to be at least 2 seconds of blank space at the beginning of the first track.. Should that be something that I would add with a burning program, or would that be added?

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jul 05, 2007 11:11 am

keep in mind, two seconds of blank space on your first 'song' is not the same as the red book 'gap' that is inserted before the first and inbetween audio track(s)...

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 05, 2007 11:27 am

i've read that 650mb/74min cd's are better compatible than 700mb/80min cd's. Is this the case? Could it be a source of my problems?

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 05, 2007 11:28 am

that could be, yes...

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jul 08, 2007 08:27 pm

Hey Herb, yep I dropped the ball on that one for sure. I completely forgot to ask Tuna what the issue was. He has however not had it at all as of late. The problem was using a program other then burning straight out of WMP or Nero. I want to say it was the fact he was choosing an improper ISO format to burn to. It seemed to not follow generic Redbook guidelines. But after he switched to using only Nero and WMP to burn with it stopped happening. I will dig into it and see what it was.

Myself, I am like dB and burn strictly using either Wavelab or Nero 7 Ultra. I have not tried burning straight out of Sonar as of yet.

Member
Since: Feb 19, 2007


Jul 09, 2007 09:42 am

What is ISO format? I have no idea what that means.

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jul 09, 2007 10:52 am

ISO image (from what I've known) is the format that a program will put a whole CD file down on your hard drive. It's like a picture of the contents of the CD, but in one file on your hard drive.

Then you can use the ISO image to burn new CDs from the data on your hard drive. You can usually burn a cd from ISO images from any program, so it's not dependant on any one type program.

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