Jun 13, 2007 03:36 am I have no idea if there is a standard.
Given the "noise wars" or whatever you want to call them, I'd wager that the desired standard is "No bleeding ears shall be the whole of the law."
Standard CD Volume
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 12:52 am
Ravenking
Member Since: May 20, 2007
Does anyone know the standards for Volume and whatnot when burning a CD?
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Jun 13, 2007 03:36 am I have no idea if there is a standard.
Given the "noise wars" or whatever you want to call them, I'd wager that the desired standard is "No bleeding ears shall be the whole of the law."
Jun 13, 2007 02:39 pm There aren't volume standards... The only standards are 16 bit and 44.1khz. Since CDs have come out, they just keep getting louder and louder. You can really see it when looking at the actual waveforms.
Jun 13, 2007 03:25 pm Isn't unity gain still the barrier though?
I mean no matter how much you compress, limit, maximize, boost, or whatever, you still have to deal with 0db as the ceiling right? Can CDs actually boost signal strength beyond that? Or is that just perceived loudness because of the degree of compression and limiting that's generally applied to popular releases?
I think that it's normal to set a peak limiter at somewhere around -.25 dB or -1 dB just as a protection against clipping or overdriving the mixdown.
Jun 13, 2007 04:08 pm If your wav file looks like anything from the Rush - Vapor Trails disc you gone TOO FAR! :))
I dont know about other applications but I love Wavelabs "Global Analysis" function. It measures RMS (Root Mean Square) which is well known for accuracy in determining what the ear perceives as volume. I like my RMS to be around -9.5 to -10.5 on both left and right readings.
Jun 13, 2007 06:16 pm VCRobP, that is exactly what I'm referring to! I was gonna post earlier about comparing Rush's "Fly by Night" to Vapor trails... You can actually see dynamics in The old records... But Vapor Trails is just a solid blob... It's horrible! And the it sounds horrible too!
Jun 13, 2007 07:55 pm yeah tad, 0dbfs (full scale) is the max...but that's just for peaks...which is why peak limiters are so handy they squish all the peaks down so EVERYTHING IS PEAKING ALL THE TIME.
and yeah, if your song (or any individual track for that matter) looks like a 2x4, then it's overcooked.
Jun 13, 2007 08:54 pm And to add a final note. The reason the newer CD's seem so loud is the content is maximized to nothing but a complete redline at 0dB. There is not real life left in the music.
When I get a client that wants that loudest CD possible I try to explain what it is they are asking for. Some decide to leave a life in the CD, others say crush it I just want it loud.
Moron's really.
Jun 14, 2007 01:17 am here's a good thread startin' up on the issue
www.gearslutz.com/board/s...maximizers.html
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