Jan 07, 2003 05:13 am Are you planning to record on a PC? Or are you buying some multitracker? If so, analog or digital?
what is needed? help! newbie!
Posted on Jan 07, 2003 02:54 am
fredzs
Member Since: Jan 07, 2003
hello, i want to make a small/minimal recording studio, i want to mic everything, so i need 8 mics, what must i need to start making cd's? i just want a good sound, not $$$$ worth sound, something i can listen to, i am willing to spend $1000 ... pls list down everything i need to start,
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Jan 07, 2003 05:13 am Are you planning to record on a PC? Or are you buying some multitracker? If so, analog or digital?
Jan 07, 2003 07:44 am im gonna buy a multitrack, if i buy a multi, a digital multi, whats a good simultaenous 8 track multi w/ built in good EQ ? so i wont buy a mixer anymore?
Jan 08, 2003 03:01 am Roland man......heh. Sorry db You knew I was gonna throw that in there.
You might check out the VS line from Roland any one of their MTR's would do the trick for you. As far as eq's they've got some awesome fx in their addon cards. You can find them pretty cheap too if you look around.
Jan 08, 2003 05:29 am The Roland VS 1880HD is currently on massive sale at Musician's Friend service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear as is the CDX-1 service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
Jan 08, 2003 05:54 am The cdx has only 2 tracks simultaenously, if lets say a multitrack has 8 tracks, and it can record 4 tracks simultaenously does that mean i can only plug in 4 mics and record with only 4 mics??? then what are the other 4 tracks for??
www.zzounds.com...z=1583924381920 it says there.. "2 inputs (one XLR and one 1/4 in.)," that means i have to put 2 diff mics??? i cant put two Sm58's?
whats the most inexpensive 8 track simulteanous w/ EQ, fairly acceptable sound multitracker?? what if it has no cd-r how can i put the music in my computer for burning??
Jan 08, 2003 07:43 am service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear is one very nice unit from what I have read and heard.
Jan 08, 2003 10:32 am ya, i wish i had that, if i get a 8 track digital recorder, monitors, mics (duh), do i still need amps? and for example my multi has no cd-rw but has a HD, how can i upload it to the computer?
Jan 08, 2003 10:37 am if your monitors are sefl powered you don't need an amp, otherwise you will. As far as getting your music from multi-to-PC it totally depends on what other interfaces it has, if it has any USB ports, firewire ports or anything like that.
This is exactly why I prefer recording inot the PC in the first place...
Jan 08, 2003 10:40 am service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
how hard could it be w/ this?! 16 track simultaenous! DARN!!! and w/ a cd-r! wow.. is this a good multi? how bout the eq? will the quality be like an mp3?
Jan 08, 2003 10:43 am and i cant record in my computer because my computer is in my room and my drums are in the studio, which is around 20 steps from my room, and i only have 1 good computer, so i must get something that has a cd-r in it, or i can bring to my computer...
Jan 09, 2003 06:01 am bump . . help pls im desperate cause this april im going to hongkong and buying my stuff..
Jan 09, 2003 06:48 am yeah, it looks good and because it doesnt compress the files they should be fine as far a quality goes...if you havent got the right usb plugs or whatever adapter it does use, you can always work the old fasioned way by pluging the line out into the soundcard.
Jan 09, 2003 06:55 am nah, i dont wanna put it in my computer, cause i have a SB Live Value sound card, and it must sound sucky if i plug it in, is the EQ fine there or should i buy a mixer??
Jan 09, 2003 07:00 am "Its superb digital mixer provides 60mm faders for all 16 channels, 3-band EQ with parametric mid and high, master EQ, channel and master compressors, eight mic inputs, ADAT optical I/O, 2 effect sends and 2 aux sends per channel,"
That oughta cover it!
Jan 09, 2003 07:04 am "8 track simultaneous recording using analogue inputs. 16-track simultaneous recording available using ADAT interface in addition to analog inputs" it says in the vf-160 fostex website, what is ADAT? and can i plug mics in their holes? if not, i only have 8 inputs for mics? NOOOO!
Jan 09, 2003 07:08 am ADAT is a legacy recording device from Alesis. It will do you now good at all. Matter of fact even in it's hey-day it wasn't much good.
ADAT was/is an 8-track digital recording device that records on tape that can be linked together to form bigger recording possibilities. Looked great on paper, I have recorded on them a couple times...sucked...
Jan 09, 2003 07:08 am never used ADAT stuff...so not very familiar with it..but yeah, it tooks like you can only run 8 mics at once uness youve got something ADAT (help me out here someone!)
Jan 09, 2003 07:11 am wait, forexample i have a 4 simultaenous track recorder w/o cd-r, can i plug it in my SB LIVE VALUE sound card? and will the sound quality decrease?
Jan 09, 2003 07:15 am probably not so you'd notice without listening to the tracks at high volume...thats where the difference will become apparent.
having said that, my soundcard's pretty poor and i still get good results (check out the link in the members music section for some examples)...
it should be usable, unless the card's VERY poor!
Jan 09, 2003 07:20 am what if like i just get a 8 input mixer, where will my recordings go? i was thinking of just buying a high input mixer then after me recording im gonna plug it in the computer, NOTE THAT IM NOT GONNA PLUG THE MIXER WHILE RECORDING THE DRUMS. can that work? i know u guys think im stupid, but i really need your help
Jan 09, 2003 07:29 am the mixer plugs into the recorder - it wont actually record...you can plug the mixer into one input on the recorder itself...thus saving on the ammount of tracks used in total, as its converting several mic inputs into one output
Jan 09, 2003 07:30 am www.zzounds.com...z=1584834195719
check this out, check out those 6 holes on top? see the two phantom power in the left side? those extra 4 small holes, what are they? if they are mic holes can i plug a SM57 in there?
Jan 09, 2003 07:32 am so your saying if i have a 8 input mixer, then i plug it in a 4 input recorder, i will have more 11 inputs???
Jan 09, 2003 07:37 am they're all mic inputs of some sort, the little holes are 1/4 inch jack sockets i would think...the same plug as you get on guitar leads. you can get mic leads with jack plug ends, i use them myself.
Jan 09, 2003 07:37 am Here is the same device at MF (buying there helps support this website) service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear and for a couple hundred dollars more they have an even better one service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
Those extra holes are a headphone out, stereo main outs and a footswitch plugin. If you have Adobe Acrobat reader read their online brochure www.fostex.com/Support/pd...20DataSheet.pdf
Jan 09, 2003 07:46 am i was totally wrong there then!
Jan 09, 2003 07:49 am so i can only put 2 mics in the vf-80? for example i have a 24 input mixer, then i plug it in one of the channels in the vf-80, when i plug lets say 14 mics in the mixer, will it be recorded by the vf-80? its like cheating the inputs? and will it sound clean?
Jan 09, 2003 07:53 am as long as you've mixed it alright, yeah, it'l be fine!
Jan 09, 2003 07:53 am sure you could use all 24 inputs of the mixer, but they would all only record on to 2 tracks in the VF80.
Jan 09, 2003 08:00 am i dont need the other tracks anywayz, cause were gonna record as a band, or just me on the drums . . damn, so i might as well get the boss br-532 service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear the 2 input smartmedia carder... its only around $399.. and w/ the smartmedia i can save it in my pc and burn it, is this mixer good enought ? www.zzounds.com...z=1584863881365 . . as i see it i can put 10 mics in it? correct?
Jan 09, 2003 08:17 am Ya, that mixer is awesome, I have the 1622 from the same series, that is a great line of mixers, but you will want to buy it here if you can in your area, then you help support HRC:
service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
:-)
Jan 09, 2003 08:39 am Just to pitch in on the Digital Multi-tracker front.
If you REALLY need another 8 mic inputs then you should consider something similar to the "DigiMAX LT Mic Pre Interface" service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
This device is basically just 8 high quality mic-preamps which output via A-DAT Lightpipe (so that's what the A-DAT in is for, eh? ;) )
Good luck.
jues.
Jan 09, 2003 05:38 pm fredz, if youre looking to record 8 audio tracks at once, i would suggest getting a mixer with 8 xlr inputs and direct outs on each.
some suggestions are
Alesis studio 24
and hard disk recording:
Echo layla
DElta 1010
Jan 10, 2003 03:26 am the delta 1010 and the echo, what does it do? what i think is that it records songs then u can plug it in your computer for upload? or do u need to plug it in the computer while recording?? i think i like the echo more, cause it has 10 simultaenous recording tracks.. but where do i EQ? in the computer? do i need something like protools??
Jan 10, 2003 03:26 am the delta 1010 and the echo, what does it do? what i think is that it records songs then u can plug it in your computer for upload? or do u need to plug it in the computer while recording?? i think i like the echo more, cause it has 10 simultaenous recording tracks.. but where do i EQ? in the computer? do i need something like protools?? i
Jan 10, 2003 03:26 am the delta 1010 and the echo, what does it do? what i think is that it records songs then u can plug it in your computer for upload? or do u need to plug it in the computer while recording?? i think i like the echo more, cause it has 10 simultaenous recording tracks.. but where do i EQ? in the computer? do i need something like protools?? i have a cd-r in my computer can i burn the uploaded songs to the cd-r??
SORRY ABOUT THAT!!!
Jan 15, 2003 06:37 am Please stop putting all the long URL's in that I need to change, just give us a model name, mostof us know what you are talking about.
I would recommend the Delta 1010 before the Layla.M-Audio's driver updating and system compatiblity is generally a lot better than Echo's.
Ihave owned both an Echo card and an M-Audio card and I am far happier with the M-Audio than I ever was with the Echo.
You don't "upload" music with a sound card, you play music into it and record it right on your PC through which ever application you decide to go with. There are many to choose from. Cakewalk is generally accepted as a very user-friendly app that is easy to learn.
As far as EQing you can do that on the PC or anywhere in the signal chain going to the PC.
Idle curiosity, have you paged through our recording tips section? Look under the Computer Based Studio section as there will be many articles that will probably answer a lot of your questions.
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