Dec 20, 2006 01:13 pm ick...i couldn't see why ya wanna do this, but i'd go to an ADAT HD system..the video cassette ones suck.....but the hard drive system looks pretty sweet....i can't immagine editing without any kinda video monitor.
completley outboard studio
Posted on Dec 20, 2006 12:50 pm
Loki
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Member Since: Apr 07, 2002
So I am thinking of downgrading my studio to a completely outboard one. I am thinking a couple mic pres or a mixer with some decent ones, 2 ADATs, and some compressors for starters. I am just really starting to hate computer based set ups for some reason. Anyone got any reccomendations on a DAT type machine. I don't want to use a studio in a box type thing either, as I may as well just be going through the computer.
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Dec 20, 2006 01:13 pm ick...i couldn't see why ya wanna do this, but i'd go to an ADAT HD system..the video cassette ones suck.....but the hard drive system looks pretty sweet....i can't immagine editing without any kinda video monitor.
Dec 20, 2006 07:49 pm Because being dependant on a screen to edit and record music is lame to me. It's cheaper to set up and maintain, but that's about it's only saving grace for me. Plus with an outboard system I could easily take it with me to record friends gigs and stuff. I just want to get away from a computer based studio, everything about it is annoying me right now, editing things by looking at it, plug in effects rather than the outboard stuff... it all ust bothers me now adn I can't put my finger on it. If I had the money I'd go to a pure analog system with some reel to reels.
Dec 20, 2006 08:42 pm Quote:
i can't immagine editing without any kinda video monitor.
Way to make a guy feel all sorts'a 'old' on his b-day, Chris . Thanks alot, pal .
Loki... you're freakin' me out, man .
Dec 20, 2006 08:48 pm hahaha how am I freaking ya out?
and Happy birthday!
Dec 20, 2006 08:59 pm Thanks bud !
It was this sentence that did it...
Quote:
I am just really starting to hate computer based set ups for some reason.
Dec 20, 2006 09:18 pm theres just too much hassle involved, sound cards and drivers, software issues, latency, ram, memory, cpu spped, hard drive space, crashes... I think stay ing out of the computer to record is better for me, just to keep it for converting to MP3 and making disks and stuff, but primarily doing everything outside of it. I also figure, not having the screen to look at when I'm mixing will in the end make me a better engineer. It's too easy for me to get carried away when working on a song in the computer, unlimited tracks, the ability to use the same effect on every channel, all that kind of stuff. I'd much rather have a nice console, a few decent peices of outboard gear, and something to run it all into that's not the computer. I can alsways bounce to disk later if I want/need to.
Dec 20, 2006 09:24 pm hay hue happy b-day it's mine as well. Loki , good luck at what ever you decide man. recording "old school" has it's pro's and cons ,hell you might like it better, but it may cost you some green to get up and running. I'd check out ebay and craigslist. good luck.
Dec 20, 2006 09:26 pm man, I have a DAT machine I'll sell ya cheap...it's just a two track mastering DAT, mot multitrack. ADAT sucks, I am still in therapy to get rid of those repressed memories of ADAT....argh...I'd rather go back to my old cassette 8 track deck.
Dec 20, 2006 09:31 pm well I'm really more interested in a multitrack machine right now.... but depending on how "cheap" we're talking here it might be doable after I get the multitrack gear together. What's so bad about DAT though really? I mean like the Alesis Xt20 is 8 track, 20 bit... I don't understand what everyones issues are with them? I thought they used to be a common staple in the studio. But okey, aside from dat, cassette, and reel to reel (which is what I want but can't afford) what are the options?
Dec 20, 2006 09:34 pm That's all cool, just keep in mind other recorders have their own set of issues that come with them... DATs need to be calibrated, tapes formatted, keeping it uber-clean, synching other units, etc...
I thought maybe you had just had enough of the likes of us, or something .; p
Dec 20, 2006 09:37 pm Oh hey, Happy birthday to you guys, and thanks dB !
I get to work 'til 12am tonight, which means they'll have to kick me out later . heh heh
Dec 20, 2006 09:41 pm I did an album with a band on an ADAT unit... I remember the usual tricks to be step-intensive, compared to HD/compy .
Dec 20, 2006 09:43 pm i've been working since 1845(6:45pm) and it's 0545 right now , so no worries here . I had pizza and a NA beer ,gotta love being deployed.
Dec 20, 2006 09:57 pm man I could never get sick of HRC, you guys are like family.
Dec 20, 2006 10:04 pm Yep, happy B-day the both of you'se guy's!
LOKI, are you friggin nuts??????????
I wouldn't turn back the clock for anything these day's. Sure I would love my old analog gear back.
1: If I had the huge amount of space it takes up.
2: If I had unlimited funds for the upkeep.
3: If I didn't give a rats *** about the electric bill. And trust me, the gear I am running spins my meter up really fast.
4: The cost of repairs when a vital piece of gear craps out.
5: If I didn't care about deadlines and the huge amount of work I can do in less then half the time.
6: If I really liked the nightmares I still have of editing/splicing multi-track tape.
7: I I really liked the miles and miles of cable it took to hook it all together.
8: If I really liked all the rack gear it took to keep all the midi gear in sync with the analog gear.
9: If I liked the fact that tape decays if not stored properly.
And finally!
10: If I was a glutten for punishment!
Don't get me wrong here. I do miss some of the things about my old analog gear. But not enough to even make me think of going back that route.
Dec 20, 2006 10:06 pm Hell yeah Loki ! I'll be downing a few in both you and Geoffs honor tonight . Cheers guys !
Dec 20, 2006 10:48 pm well with what I'm looking at right now it wouldn't have a lot of those problems noize. I wouldn't take up a ton of space, just another rack or so, the electric may be the only real concern, but that might be cheaper in the long run than having my computer running all day, I don't know. Deadlines aren't a concern to me, as I'm only doing my own stuff right now. The rack gear for syncing MIDI and Analog gear doesn't concern me right now, because the only midi I'm using are a couple synths which have analog outs. The cabling would be controllable with a snake or two. So the only things that are a concern to me on that list would be the funds for upkeep (which is something to look into), editing the tape, and figuring out if I can store the tape properly in here.
And really, i am a glutton for punishment... remember the naked airsoft? haha
Dec 20, 2006 11:02 pm Dude, you just made stuff come out my nose again with that airsoft thing.
Dec 21, 2006 12:47 am yeah. that is my "kids don't do drugs story". That just wasn't a good idea... haha
Dec 22, 2006 03:30 pm Okey, so I went to music go round yesterday to see if they still had that ADAT in stock, which they did, but then I found something else I wanted. A soundcraft Live 24 or something... huge desk for 500 bucks. I know that right now I' dhave no use for such a large desk, but down the line I might, so I'm debating on which to get, an ADAT, the tapes and snakes needed and some outboard gear, or the console. I am a sucker for large consoles. And, really I need a new desk anyway as mine sucks.
Dec 22, 2006 04:05 pm somebody's got some $$$ burnin a hole in their pocket =)
Maybe one of those standalone DAW things, like the roland vs2480, or something like that. They're HD, but there's no other connections, drivers, etc.
Just one device, start to finish.
Some of them you can plug cards into to get plug-ins, though they'd probably be proprietary.
You might sell the PC stuff, and other equip and pick one up used on ebay.
Just a thought . . .
Dec 22, 2006 04:18 pm haha thing is I don't have any money right now. It would all be trade ni. I don't want the Stand alone thing, cause really if I were going to do that I'd just stick with the PC. It's pretty much the same thing. The console does have me interested though, because it's a huge console which looks cool, and it's cheap. Also I could grow into it. I've pretty much just outgrown my current setup and need to make a change. Logically, the best thing would be to put another delta 44 in the PC, giving me 8 tracks to work with, and then get a mixer with either direct outs or 8 busses... but I'm not to fond of logic.
Dec 22, 2006 04:54 pm I'm not too fond of Logic either that's why i stick with Sonar. Hardy har har !
Dec 22, 2006 05:24 pm hay loki i know this is out of the way for you but i thought you might check it out.
sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/252331342.html
Dec 22, 2006 05:49 pm that's a sweet deal man. I dropped him an email asking if he would ship.
Dec 22, 2006 06:01 pm ooooooh I found an otari 5050 reel to reel unit with mic pres for 600 bucks... This may be my christmas present to me, depending on if I can pawn up 400 bucks worth of crap haha.
Dec 22, 2006 10:55 pm Loki, you do realize that Otari MX 5050 is a 1/4" 2 track unit, do you not?
As well, $600.00. Now be prepared to have the thing worked on on a yearly or semi yearly basis to keep it running proper. And finding a shop that will deal with them will not be cheap.
Just trying to look out for ya bud! Find out when the last time it was run? And when was the last service? How many hours on the tape heads, motor's and so on?
Dec 23, 2006 01:28 pm Ah didn't know it was a two track machine. Well then it is of no use to me! I thought it was a 4track since it had 4 mic preamps with it. Plus I realized the cost of tape would be a pain also. So dat is still with I'm leaning towards.
Jan 04, 2007 11:58 am You said you're fed up with recording on computers...
Why not try a mac? I run windows at home with cubase sx3, but at my school they are using G4's with protools. The mac setup is a lot more stable, and if you get lucky you can get a bundle and find the protools interface along with the computer. Supposedly the computer at my school is modified in some way so that it runs protools better.
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