Alesis HD24 / Korg 01W Midi Marriage!
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Posted on Nov 22, 2006 04:14 pm
Doc Hearl
Member Since: Nov 22, 2006
Alesis Tech Support and the HD24 Manual says that the HD24's Midi outputs will allow it to drive my Korg 01W. Nothing I've tried has worked. Before my ADAT black face bit the dust, I used a Steinberg ADAT Computer Interface (ACI) to drive the 01...never a problem. The HD24 has MMC & MTC options. The 01 has Internal and External Clock options, but I haven't been able to connect the two in any fashion in which the HD will run the 01. I'm hoping someone out here will know a trick or two that Alesis Tech Support and the Owner's Manual has missed. Thanks! Doc Hearl
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 22, 2006 11:07 pm Well I cant say for sure, but I am thinking the HD24 is not for sending midi data other then MMC Midi Machine Control and MTC Midi Time Code. Your Korg 01W is a synth which needs midi note data. I think your Stienberg unit was just passing data from your software if I'm not mistaken, or did you actually record midi note data to the ADAT?
Nov 23, 2006 07:42 pm Thanks for the speedy reply. I've read some of your recommendations to other members on relative subjects, and I think if I find an answer to this riddle anywhere, it will most likely be through you. The answer is 'Yes'. I have 8 finished CD's that I recorded on my ADAT from the 01W through the Steinberg unit. The tricky part was in syncing up the individual patches in the sequences (drums, bass, and piano parts...I played everything else 'live'). This is the procedure I used: 1. ADAT Sync In/Out to Steinberg Sync In/Out; 2. Steinberg Midi Out to Korg Midi In; 3. Korg Audio Outs 1 & 4 panned to A & D (rspv); 4. Korg clock set to 'External'; 5. ADAT Pitch set at Minus (-) sequence tempo value (if more or less than 120bpm); 6. Stein-berg ACI set to Midi Clock; 7. Pitch on ADAT reset to Zero (000). 8. Arm ADAT tracks (only 2 at a time), and hit RECORD/PLAY. In 15-30 seconds the ADAT would then start the 01W and begin recording the selected sequenced tracks. Any tracks I didn't want recorded, I muted on the 01W. The process is quicker than it reads, because the 'sync' parameters only have to be set once per song. After the first 2 tracks are finished, it's simply a matter of rewinding to '0' and enabling the next 2 tracks of sequenced patches to be recorded. I hope this helps...if something seems amiss, I'll try to remember any details I may have omitted, but to my best recollection, I haven't missed anything except the simplicity of my old ADAT. I haven't had much time to really get into this problem, but I'm going public with my studio in a few weeks. I've got to solve this issue soon, or develop a Plan B. Thanks for your help. Happy Thanksgiving!
Doc
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 23, 2006 10:40 pm Ah I'm getting a clearer picture now. You were using the sequancer on the Korg to record some of the parts, then play the sequance back locked to the ADAT for time code. While recording them onto a coule ADAT tracks.
I think now with the HD24 you can simply set it to send MTC to lock the Korg. If I'm not mistaken you should as well be able to get the Korg to read the start, stop commands as well from the HD24. You will simply be eliminating the extra midi time piece that the stienberg device provided.
I'll take a look at the midi implementation for the HD24 and see if it will work that way. by rights it should and then you can simply record your live tracks over that then.
Nov 24, 2006 12:29 pm Thanks...I'll be back on this in a few days when I'm finished moving. If you find something on the HD24 midi implementation in the meantime that presents a problem, or may help clear this up, please send it along. Most of that stuff is still Greek to me. I will tell you, however, that I've hooked up the HD24 directly to the O1W via midi, & the 01 audio outs to my mixer, so far with dismal results. I'm very close to selling the whole outfit and buying into Cubase or Pro-Tools, etc., but if I do that now I'll have to start all over again, which would cost me too much time and money. I think this is fixable...even if I have to buy another type of sync device. Thanks for listening.
Doc
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 24, 2006 09:49 pm media.zzounds.c...c4a2488e975.pdf
Here is a link to a .pdf of the manual for the HD24. It appears that it will send MTC and it can also recive MMC but only the start, stop and rewind commands. You can use that to start and stop the HD24 for recording the sequanced tracks into the HD24. The midi info is on pages 67 and 68. It also reads as if it will send the start, stop and rewind commands from the HD as well. So it looks as though you could arm your tracks on the HD24 for recording and then press play and the 01W should start its own playback.
You will need to make sure and have two way communication so you will need two cables for both the in and out of the HD into the in and out of the 01W.
It also appears that you can set the HD24 to start on a certain MTC que by adjusting its 0 start time. There is a good deal of info in that section of the manaul dealing with were in the manual to find some of the other info.
Hope we can get you up and running. Good luck with the moving as well, although by the time you read this you may be done.
Noize
