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Posted on Aug 31, 2002 11:38 am
crux
Typo Szar
Member Since: Jul 04, 2002
just a fun question, how old are most of the ppl here in boards? and how long and qualified of engineers r u? coz im like 17, and i feel im the only minor up in here.
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Aug 31, 2002 12:17 pm Well, I hate to do this, but I know for sure there are a couple more here my age. But remember, I still am not old in my head. And I am not like my parent's. I enjoy all the music I here, my kid's constanly turn me on to new stuff every day. And I let them crank up whatever it is they want to hear. Because it would be wrong to tell them what they can and can't listen to.
I am 45, going on 16!
Peace, Noize 2 U
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Aug 31, 2002 12:25 pm i feel that I'm one of the younger ones hre myself but hay it all good , music is loved by all ages , and we all learn here no matter how young or how old . I'm 23-going on 12 or 40 depending on the day . :)
JTSMember
Since: Jul 10, 2002
Aug 31, 2002 12:49 pm you're only old when you start thinking you're old... or something like that...
"it would be wrong to tell them what they can and can't listen to."
i like that!! my tapes were always crushed in a plastic bag with a hammer by my pops if the tape had a perental advisory sticker on it, but that was until i crushed every single country tape he had. sucker...
Aug 31, 2002 01:53 pm I am 35, going on 36, everyday :-)
"my tapes were always crushed in a plastic bag with a hammer by my pops if the tape had a perental advisory sticker on it, but that was until i crushed every single country tape he had."
Yikes...my dad didn't think much of the music I listened to or played, but he always encouraged me to do what I liked as long as it wasn't hurting me...I guess I was lucky...to this day he still says buying me that first guitar was the best money he ever spent raising me.
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Aug 31, 2002 06:18 pm every time one of my tapes ( now CD) ended up missing , my old man would have it in his sterio . I guess I'm lucky that way , my mother was the one who had to endure the long hours of "band practice" ( aka noise) when i got my first drum kit.
Aug 31, 2002 09:51 pm im 21.. and im not a qualified engineer by any means.. but ive been doing recording/mixing on the computer for about 3 or 4 years now [roughly].
i figure i must have learned something, because now my friends ask me to mix down their stuff hehe.
still learning new techniques as it is.. figure it will stay that way indefinitely.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Aug 31, 2002 10:13 pm I think the biggest shock was when I turned my 20 year old sons friend on to Gwar. He couldn't believe his buddy's dad listened to stuff like that. My 2 younger son's alway's have their buddy's over so they can listen to stuff their parent's won't let them hear.
Sep 01, 2002 06:29 am oh, dude, if their parents won't let them hear it, you have no business letting them hear it...that isn't cool...in my opinion anyway. Their own parents make the call. At least that is the theory I am going with raising my kids (who admitedly are only 4 and 1 at this point).
MSHARCMember
Since: Apr 05, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 09:12 am The thing with letting kids listen to stuff they can't normally listen to, I agree with its the parents thing, but at the same time, if they want to hear it, they are going to. I think the thing about being strict about what kids lsiten to just really shows that you (as the parent) don't think this is right for them to hear or listen to at that age and I think it sets a certain level of conduct. Kids hear worse language when they go to school. I doubt even private school can control kids talking crap with their buddies during lunch. I don't think its not a big deal to ehar the word f**k or s**t. But some of the "gangbanger" music talking about popping a cap in someone, I think that is the stuff that as parents you need to worry about. Galmorizing gangs and killing, I think THAT is way more dangerous than someone listening to a song that talks about having sex or a little bit of cussing. But, respecting the parents wishes is important too I think. Oh, and I am 25, feel like I am going on 50 or 10 depending on the day and how much I have to drink! lol
Sep 01, 2002 09:41 am I totally agree Msharc, also, it depends on the age of the kids and much more.
As a whole, I feel, as a parent, regardless of the age of the kid in question, I have absolutely no right to question, and more importantly to blatantly disregard the opinion and/or rules that that parent has laid out for their children.
Thou Noize2u is one of my best friends and closest compadre's, we do completely differ on parenting methods.
And by the way, I did go to private school, and while it can be watched and controlled a little better because the teacher-to-student ration is generally closer, the kids still hear the same stuff and do the same things as public school, sometimes worse stuff, but generally less often and far more secretive.
el musicoFreeleance Producer/Engineer/GtrMember
Since: Aug 11, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 11:49 am i'm 24 and really eager to learn as much as i can about everything to do with music. that's why i enjoy this site... it allows me to read up on problems other engineers have (before i do) and some possible solutions. it also allows me to give advice on topics i have some experience with... and on some i do not ;)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 04:08 pm The parent's all know they come here to listen. They just will not let them buy it, or bring it into the house. I think it is lame but that is just me. It is just a good excuse for them to send them away and over here for a while. I have only had one get upset about the music we all listen too. The song that offended her the most was Sober by Tool. The thing is, she is a major alcholic, and her kid's cannot stand it.
My kid's listen more to music for the way it is put together, not to find some hidden message. They know about harmony, and arrangement's, and point out the fact that LinkenPark use's some awsome string's in their tune's.
They find it stupid that some parent would blame a song or band for the death of someone, by suicied or other mean's. If a parent would just take the time to explain reality to their children, and explain why and why-not. And give them good example's, this might just be better place to raise your kid's.
I will addmit, not every parent has the otpion's I had to bring and expose my children to so many differant people in and out of the music industry. They do not look at the world by color, or hair style, or type of music, or the kind of car you drive, or how much money you have, or the clothe's you wear. They bring you down to their level, so they can understand on their term's who you are and what you are about.
I could go on forever about this, but I will end it here.
Sep 01, 2002 04:29 pm not letting kids listen to what they want is like trying to tell a kid he has to tie his shoes everyday. from every experience in life you learn something, whether music or otherwise. my father wouldnt let me listen to kiss (and a few other bands) for one reason, and this is it:
"any band who dresses like that better be louder than their clothes. and any band who says they are the best just wants to be like led zeppelin. they are phoney, fake, imaginary. what song did they right to change your life?"
those are the words of a philosopher.
i think alot of you guys should really start listening to what youth has to say. there are alot of young bands that arnt on the radio or MTV that alot of people never get to listen to. some kids spend their whole lives stuck to MTV. its beause of viacom that music isnt the same anymore. play the hits, make the money, make people think they are getting tiehr moneys worth. on friday i paid 4$ (and got drinks at the bar all night for free) to see and spend some time with a band called HOT ROD CIRCUT. they are like the rebirth of The Who... but only a handfull of people will ever get to hear them because nickle back or one of those creed sounding bands was playing at the bigger venues in town. Download some koufax, ozma, the ghost, shinner. you will hear some good music. or turn on mtv and watch eminems white a** make millions because of the way he talks?!?!?! IF it wernt for people trying to make money off of contraversy we wouldnt have to worry about our youth listening to bad music.
noize, rock on to you man. let it be heard.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 05:00 pm im 19 going on 20 in november. but dont let my young age fool you. i am experienced and have many professional music projects i aspire to accomplish in the future. look out america! jk
Sep 01, 2002 05:30 pm Well, just to set the record straight, I never did say it was right to tell a kid what they can and can't listen to, cuz I don't think it is right, I just don't think it's right to go against a parents wishes about their choices of how they are raising their kid, even if I do disagree with it, the kid is their kid, not mine.
That said, I really don't plan on giving my kids a can and can't list...cuz I don't think it's right...and they just may bring home something I like...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 06:35 pm Yes, and just so you all don't think I am some uncontrolling parent, who let's my boyz do anything they want. dB can tell ya, they got rule's to follow, and god help em if they don't.
But I will notmake their choice of hair style, and colour, (I have a 9 year old who has had a mohawk and tail to the middle of his back since he was 6, and it is now blue) or clothing for them. They are not trend setter's, nor do they want to were the latest thing. They are both very simple to please, a kool T-shirt, and some baggy short's or pant's, and their off and rockin. They think shopping at Ragstock is cool, cause they got stuff there that you can't buy in the other store's.
So any way, Anais, what is your age anyway, that was the original question here.
[size=5]Hey crux, bet ya didn't think we'd end up here with that question of your's, did ya?[/size]
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 07:22 pm Thanx for all the great replies, and im still the youngest one here! it feels kind of downing to not be able to give any useful tips on any of the posts :( ohwell, i guess ill grow right? and about the whole parental advisory thing. im 17 and i cuss like a drunk irishmen (no offense to irishmen) and i still dont approve of some lyrics i hear in songs. its not that their saying something bad, but its just the way its portrayed and the real story behind it all. guys going "i wanna screw a ho, and bust a cap" while there bouncing in a cadillac is wrong, cause there protraying this image that all that is cool and right to the youths. singers like Tupac sing about gangbanging and the thug life cause he lived it and he doesnt want anyone else to live it, and he's showing how hard it was to get out of it all. Even teeny bopper bands are all up with songs sayin "shake your rear baby, make me hot" and 14-15 yr old girls are goin around doin this. its makes me sick! these girls and guys think its cool to exploit one's sexuality like a two cent prostitute. so yeah, basically, i dont think parents should stop their children from listening to everything, but they should make sure to teach them how to differentiate between what is real and right, so they can be exposed to violence and drugs and sex, and not be drawn into it.
MSHARCMember
Since: Apr 05, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 09:03 pm I think the real issue with parents who do not want their kids listening to certain types of music is even more of an epidemic than anyone realizes. Noise mentioned that if the parents would just sit down and explain things to them, well, I think that that IS the problem. The whole thug thing gets to me because you see these middle-class whitebreads running around acting like they are from the hood or something. C'mon, what a joke. But the gansta rap has portrayed that lifestyle as cool. Anyone know where wearing the jeans down came from? It came from prison. Back in the day when they issues inmates clothes, they never gave them, or had, the right sizes and they didn't give them belts. So, when they got out it was a way for others to know who had been in the clink. But now you see every kid doing it and none of them have a clue why. Not that a trend needs any meaning, but it just illustrates what I am saying.
Do I think that any music has made any negative impact on me...I doubt it. But then, I think that even back then I had a good idea of who I was. But, there are kids out there that are screwed up, Columbine anyone? The fact is that every generation is going to have a problem with what their kids listen to, parents used to hate Elvis. I think its ok to let kids listen to what they want as long as they have a good home structure where parents teach their kids what is right or wrong.
As far as hearing other types of music, I agree that there are probably a lot of really good bands that'll never get heard. But that is also a cool thing because you get to feel like you actually HAVE a band that is yours. Because as soon as they became mainstrem, then you'll be dogging them that they are taking away from the locla bands playing down the road. The fact is that the music business is just that, a business, and heartless, souls business types are going to find the most widely appealing stuff they can find and mass produce it and hope that they make another couple million. Its the nature of our country to find what sells and do just that. I ahve heard some great bands that no one will ever hear on the other coast, but they aren't mainstream and therefore they probably won't get signed to a major label. But, I like 'em and that's good enough for me. That was a long tyraid, so I will end it with that.
Sep 01, 2002 09:35 pm I agree with MSHARC here. The problem isn't with the music, it's with the parents. My mom sat me down and explained things to me... told me what was right and what was wrong... told me I could go listen to anything I wanted to... and I do. And I listen to a lot of stuff she doesn't like... but then the other day she just bought the new Eminem CD so I guess you have to put everything in perspective. My mom teaches middle school art... and she's on the STAR team... so she listens to what the kids are listening to so she can get a better feel for what their minds are absorbing... and I'll be dammed if she can't connect with those kids better than any other teacher in that school... in fact the other day I was hanging out in her class and the subject of Eminem came up. It was quite the discussion I must say, but I think a lot of those kids walked away from that class thinking about the world a little differently... sorry I'm rambling... but anyway, I think the problem is with the parents not sitting their kids down and telling them what's right and what's wrong. That's where we need to start. There's a world of music out there, and even though theres a lot of it I dispise, my (future) kids are going to be allowed to listen to anything they want... especially when they reach their teen years, because I think that putting limits on pretty much anything can be a bad idea... except for the speed limit of course... that's a good one...
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Sep 02, 2002 01:47 am I'm 17, gonna be 18 in a few days. As far as the parents music thing goes though... I don't know where I stand. If I said I'd have to do what the parents wish as far as letting the kids listen to music I'd be a hypocrite... so I don't know
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Sep 02, 2002 01:52 am my parents are uber christian, and they for the longest time didn't let me listen to certain bands or go to certain concerts, so I did it all behind their backs. Eventually I think they caught on, but they realized that hey, I can listen to this music and still be a good kid, which for the most part I am. I mean I do things I shouldn't but of course they don't know about em. But it's not the music that makes me do these things... it's me being a 17 year old kid.
Sep 02, 2002 07:25 am Well, not listening to music and not going to concerts are two very different things in my mind, music is music, it isn't harmful to most people that don't already have a screw loose. Going to concerts, depending on the fan base, can be a personal safety issue...much different thing.
MitchMember
Since: Apr 14, 2002
Sep 02, 2002 01:49 pm Tracing rock and roll back to its early days, its always been about rebellion. So letting your kids listen to whatever they want will in some ways determine what kind of adults they will be.
A persons character lends itself to the kind of music they listen too.
Toodles
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Sep 05, 2002 10:22 pm some of you are assuming that parents know the difference between right and wrong in the first place :)
I spent 3 years in a midwest christian rock/metal (dream theater wannabe type) band and I've met some really screwed up people. What I've seen is that people don't become what society tells them or music tells them. They become their parents. We seem to be under the delusion that "things were better back then" when the only difference is that we know more about whats going on now. My pastor was taking about a marrage counseling technique called a "geneogram" when you take the positive and negative traits of family members and ancestors and corrolate it on the family tree. Scary trends develop really quickly. He said one couple called off the wedding and went home crying because of the sudden realization of how screwed up both their families were.
Many parents can't set a standard for their kids because it's the parents that are alcoholics or drug abusers or on thir 10th marrage. It's a classic "Do as I say not as I do." And then you have the parents who actually encourage that behavior (and there are a lot of them)
Personally I will always see music as an effect of, rather than a cause of, social problems.
oh and I'm 23 :)
Sep 06, 2002 04:19 am I tend to agree with zek, the only thing is, they are still the parents, and it's still their decision, even if it is a wrong one, just like everybody that works for a stupid boss, but ya have to do what he says cuz he is the boss...
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Sep 06, 2002 11:16 am nice boss analogy , I can relate to that , with the whole military thing , I've had a few bosses I can't stand but you have to go with what theys say in my line of work I can't up and quit , plus if my main boss ( comander in cheif) says " lets go to Iraq or some stan " I can argue , no matter what is going on in my personal life . Sorry this was a bit off the subject but i needed to rant for a bit . I'd also have to give a nod to zek , ( my BS is in psych) .
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Sep 06, 2002 11:27 pm heh, with the military thing I know the feeling. However being a Legal NCO it's my job to make everyone stay on the strait and narrow morally so I get away with a lot. But this is the reserves so we only see each other once a month.
Sometimes units get in leadership trouble because "They let the commander think he's in charge". Commanders set policy, they arn't supposed to tell you where to dig foxholes, thats the First Sergeants Job.
I was on a training exercise at the MOUT facility at Fort Knox and a cadet who was in charge of the repair and utilities detail had a GP mediun (the old non-frame tents) set up. The Battalion Sergeant Major walks up and says it needs more razor wire. An hour later the 1st Sergeant walks over and wants all the razor wire across the compound. The company Commander walks up an hour later and wants the tent moved 50 feet away. An Hour later the Battalion Commander wants the tent on the other side of a 6 foot wall.
This tent was not in the facility design plan and was never used the entire weekend.
Now when it comes down to doing the dirty work like briefings, going to the field, all around grunt work, etc. There are ways to get out of it but the trick is to be more productive by not doing that. Some times it's a matter of "doing your job" like making sure your invintories are in order so when you have an CAP inspection or whatever you don't freak out. I did two weeks of ADT this year soly for CAP prepartation and we still had a 100% failure(it one of those if 1 out of the 300 personnel files is missing a signature then the entire thing fails). My unit has Administrative Separation packets that only have to be mailed and they've been sitting on a desk for 9 months
Myself I almost never attend the long boring briefings, commonly miss formations, NEVER go to AT with the unit, I get extra duty days whenever I want them, and both my company and battalion commanders constantly thank me because I am always occupied with MOS related duties. . . and I make sure they realize those duties are important to them and when I have free time (usually the month inbetween drug tests :) ) I make sure to help the other "movers and shakers" of the unit.
As stated earlier I NEVER go on AT with the unit. Because of that I tell them where I want to go and when (expecially if it's a school) This year I had PLDC but next year I'm going to San Antonio, TX . I've also done the Federal Litigation Unit at the XVIII Airborne Corps and spent three weeks at the Northern Law Office at SHAPE, Belgium and then took a 10 day vacation in Paris and the military paid for my train ticket because it was cheaper to fly out of Paris than Brussels.
. . .My unit goes to Fort Knox or Camp Atterbury.
and all this time my rater (the S-1 NCO) has no idea what I really do. but he's sees the commanders are happy and leaves me alone :)
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Sep 07, 2002 12:22 am Yeseree, I remembers when they first came out with that paper stuff. Shure didn't last like the stone tablets! Now that's when music was music. Things really went down hill when they started putting more than one string on them there wooden things. Still got my first hollow log and stick yesseree! And you should here what my grandkids are listenen to! Bunch a noise that's it, bunch O noise! I remember when ole Greg told me he was gonna have nuttin but chanten from now on! He was right ya know!
Dec 11, 2002 07:50 am I am 13.
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Dec 11, 2002 08:05 am Man are you guys, well really tangented!
oh i kill me....... tangented hahahhahahaha
anywho
32- feel 42, act 22, look- well, 32 but i still get carded for booze and smokes so maybe i look younger.
been recording for 3 years. on pc for 2. and all i can say is im getting better...... but i got a long way to go....
you guys are tangented! oh man, i gotta take a break- hahaha
Dec 11, 2002 01:10 pm hey tony do you mean tangential, like wandering in your words? i'm just pickin
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Dec 11, 2002 02:09 pm i was looking for the association of tangent and talent- and my spelling...... go public school!
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Dec 11, 2002 02:43 pm I'm 18, been playing music for 6 years, recording for 1 and a half.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Dec 11, 2002 02:44 pm By the way... this is an OOOOOLLLLDD Topic isn't it? Or did someone just cut and paste the replies into a new one? Because i remember this discussion from ages ago.
Dec 11, 2002 02:45 pm nope it's the real deal, started in August...
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Dec 12, 2002 07:22 am Whoa! who dug up this old thing??? hehe... i made this post like a like prehistory ago! whew... odd to see it pop up again... but makes me realize... feels like ive been 17 forever... :(
Dec 12, 2002 01:26 pm Hey if anyone wants to try and claim age matters then they can just look at history. Musicians wouldn't be producing themselves if it wasn't some original self-producing greats like Buddy Holly, who had hit after hit and was one of if not the first rock musician to produce his own albums all before he was 22. Or perhaps I should mention Les Paul, who was in his late teens when he started OVERDUBBING which is a breakthrough we can all appreciate. Or maybe Richie Valens who was 17 for God's sake.
Age does not matter when it comes to music.
What does is: originality, creativity, and a sheer lack of fear.
Make highly creative music for the joy of it and you will live forever!!!
Thanks for the soap box.
J. SCOTTHelp I'm stuck in Utah!!!!!!!!!Member
Since: Dec 10, 2002
Dec 12, 2002 07:19 pm 26 Today.
WooHooo
Dec 12, 2002 09:57 pm Happy Birthday J.Scott!
Dec 13, 2002 01:24 am 19 years, tracking since 1995 and recording since 1999..
Dec 23, 2002 02:10 am I'm 22 years old 23 in May, I've been playing since I was 13, mixing/engineering since I was 19.
Not too much experience as far as years go. And definitly not a pro' by any means ;) but I can hold my own.
Hey Crux, I think we have another thing in common man. You ever step in Othius? I know of a CruxShadow in there, you the same?
