Jul 31, 2006 08:36 pm oh, yeah, THATS what I needed to have bouncing around my head, thanks dude!
Going to the Dentist
Posted on Jul 31, 2006 08:34 pm
guitar_jim
Czar of Cheese
Member Since: Jun 09, 2004
I admit it...I am 43 years old and nearly terrified of going to the dentist! I have an appointment tomorrow at 12:15 and I'm not looking forward to it at all. It's only a checkup, but I know there will be work to do, because I have a little chip out of one of my upper molars.
I know that there are much better things to stress out over, and that going to the dentist shouldn't be a big deal. Still, I can't stand the thought of that dental hygenist prodding and probing every inch of my teeth and gums.
As if that isn't bad enough, in two weeks I get to go in to the doctor's office for my biannual complete physical. Yes, I said COMPLETE physical.
I'll leave you with THAT mental image.
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Jul 31, 2006 08:36 pm oh, yeah, THATS what I needed to have bouncing around my head, thanks dude!
Jul 31, 2006 09:09 pm Hey dont feel bad Jim. I hate dentists. The poor state of my teeth isnt from my lack of brushing, flossing and using Listerine 3 time a day. It is from bad experiances at the dentist, so I avoid it. I have bridge work that need to be done and a couple more teeth to be pulled before that can be done. And pain isnt an issue, it is as you stated. The hatred of some twit poking around till it bleeds.
And yep, the yearly FULL physical is coming in a tad over a week for me as well. Then he just hands you a box of tissue and tells ya to clean up. While he casually chats about the weather.
Hows that for a mental image dB?
Jul 31, 2006 10:53 pm I thought you said. *Barf*
Aug 01, 2006 06:54 am I did, but the dictionary said it wasn't a real word.
Aug 01, 2006 07:36 am I actually have an appointment later on today for a cleaning/check up. I used to hate going to the Dentist but since I changed to the one my wife was using, it's been no problem at all. Of course it might help a bit that the hygenist who usually cleans my teeth is very hot and tends to prop her breasts up on my arm as she works.
I may have to chow down an entire box of Oreos this afternoon.
Aug 01, 2006 07:42 am that's funny cuz it's kind of the same deal here, we switched dentists a while ago and I think the main dentists (attractive lady) that owns the place only hires other attractive women...but damn the insurance from my new job...we had to switch again...
Actually, Noize, did you know most of those mouth wash type things like Listerine actually promote germs and stuff cuz most are alcohol based, which dries out your mouth including it's natural ability to fight germs...also, regardless of what the dental association says, fluoride is a fraud, one of the biggest frauds ever. Look into it, it actually has been proven to cause tumors and cancer...not that the AMA would ever say that, cuz flouride, if memory serves, is runoff of alloy manufacturing (aluminum as I recall) and the manufacturer of said alloy paid off big to "help" the AMA do those studies...
Get natural toothpaste, DON'T use flouride.
www.ekostv.com/node/125
Also an interesting quote from a human experimentation history site:
"1945 - "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs."
Aug 01, 2006 11:58 am The best thing to do when you're in the chair is grab hold of the dentists goolies and say"now then, we're not going to hurt each other,are we"?
Aug 01, 2006 02:58 pm OK, I just got back from the appointment, and it wasn't so bad. The lady cleaning my teeth was a pleasantly attractive woman, who could sense my discomfort and was very gentle with me. (Let's hope my doctor follows suit next week!)
Anyway, I have to have one of my 30+ year-old fillings replaced, and also I have a chipped tooth that needs some work. I go back, but not until October 4th.
All that worry for nothing!
Aug 01, 2006 03:07 pm I'll have to switch the kids to a none flouride like mine then. Been using the natural or unfloride type toothpaste for awhile myself. Colgate had one for a long time and now even they dont have the non-flouride type toothpaste. I had been using Toms or whatever it is, but it isnt in the local stores here now.
Aug 01, 2006 06:14 pm RESULT!!! Good one Jim.
My next trip to the dentist will cost me big. BIG!!!
Tens of thousands big. I'm completely terrified. Imagine what kind of pain can be inflicted during tens of thousands of dollars worth of surgery. Argh!!!! I think I'll have to go for general anaesthetic. Put me out, and wake me up when I can smile again.
Yep, no shortage of brushing etc. here, just really bad experiences in the past (I was sixteen before someone told me about Novocaine - nice...)which keeps me away from the dentist office (hate them hate them hate them), and some genetic thing that is not helpful with the little bugs (periodontal disease - something in my make up doesn't fight it like it should). Great. Bunch of root canals for nowt.
Might have to go for a complete set of new choppers. Wonderful. I feel such a geezer.
Ever get shots in the roof of your mouth?
That's about my favourite so far...you come out of the chair swinging (well, not literally, because the bugger has a three inch needle THROUGH THE ROOF OF YOUR MOUTH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD), but you wish you could just rip his arm off and beat him to death with the soggy end. With absolutely no remorse! Hurts more than anything I've ever experienced.
So, Jim, you did very well. Good on you, sir.
Aug 01, 2006 07:55 pm Nice one Jim..I dont so much fear dentists as bloody despise the lot of them!! Every trip to the dentists of late has seen me come out with open wallet surgery :-( !!
Were talking Hundreds of pounds here (close on $1000 !!) ... nightmare my man.
I understand the fear tho buddy, many people have it...natural it is! Still, glad ye were cool and dont worry about the docs!! Err, in fact, from what you and Noize say, be affraid, be VERY affraid ;-) !!
Personally, I avoid htem all til my teeth are sore or I NEED the doc ;-P !!
All thebest buddy
Coco.
Aug 02, 2006 12:57 am Glad it wasn't a bad experience for ya Jim. I hated going as well. I've been thru the gum surgery, deep root cleaning, root canals, you name it I've had it done. I was going every 3 months to try and keep the teeth I had left for cleanings and I finally had enough of it. My teeth were so sensitive all I had to do was walk into the dentists office and I was in pain LOL.
So I now have a nice full set of teeth, that don't feel pain, don't decay, don't need to be cleaned by the Dentist and look better than my real teeth did, so NO more Dentists for me. :D
Good luck on the physical! :)
Dan
Aug 02, 2006 02:52 am no one ever died of fluoride.
hey, jim! my advice is to do what i always do. when confronted with pain, try to be completely objective and explore it. focus on it. watch yourself like it's a movie. tell yourself 'i can handle this, in fact, its very interesting.'
when i get blood drawn, i look at the needle and the blood, and i say 'now isnt that interesting. this hot woman is taking something out of me. i am mortal, and this is mildly painful.'
just keep exploring the pain!
Aug 02, 2006 02:54 am also, another thing you can do is wear dr. scholl's massaging gel heal cups. then just act like you're in one of those commercials.
Aug 02, 2006 08:56 am Quote:
no one ever died of fluoride
Maybe not, but if whether they DIE or not is your only criteria of whether it's bad or not...well...people don't DIE of HIV either, they die of other diseases they contract due to having an immune system being virtually disabled by aids...or, at least that is how I understand it.
Aug 02, 2006 09:47 am Boy, Jim. You really opened one up here!
Olddog, I think I'm heading for the same smile as you! ;) Half not looking forward to it, half ready for it. I figure that undergoing all the treatment necessary for keeping the teeth I have now would amount to months of simple torture. Not into the pain.
Quote: no one ever died of fluoride
Well...
colorado.indymedia.org/ne...10686/index.php
A list of fluoride related deaths....just to get you started.
Aug 02, 2006 10:20 am I can't say that I hate the dentist that I have now but I sure did hate getting that needle in the roof of my mouth. It kept me away from the dentist for 15 years. I would not go back after that. I didn't care if my teeth fell out or not. I ended up getting convinced to go back, this time to a different dentist. He asked me why I hadn't been in such a long time and I told him about the needle in the roof of my mouth. He then proceded to tell me that by looking at my fillings etc that there was no need for a needle in the roof of my mouth!!
Nowadays I go every 6 months for a cleaning. This time I have to go back for a filling and to have a filling replaced. Thankfully it doesn't hurt a bit. Actually the cleaning hurts more. I don't know how he does it but I don't feel the needle at all.
Here's a fun one for ya. I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled on one side. The tooth broke and he had to cut his way down to the root to pull out the broken piece. Then some stitches afterwards. Now that was not much fun.
Aug 02, 2006 11:12 am Yes,that needle in the mouth roof seems to crunch when it bursts through that tight firm skin.AAARRRRGGGGHHHH.
Aug 02, 2006 11:27 am Hujambo....I just re-lived the whole thing...thanks for the reminder. Yow!
Two Darvocet and a scotch........How I recover from dentistry.
So the roof of the mouth shot seems to be the big one here. Why don't dentists think, "Well, this will involved the CRUNCHY ROOF SHOT, so I'd better sedate/prepare him, or he'll never come back."
No, they think, "I'll give him the CRUNCHY ROOF SHOT, and it will hurt more than anything, and then I'll charge him $100 for doing it!" Woohoo.
Are we allowed to kill them? No. We must carry our insurance like good people.
Aug 02, 2006 11:39 am ... and like I was saying, it wasn't even necessary to get the big CRUNCH. I mean I have had a lot of work done (including teeth pulled)in the last few years catching up from not going to the dentist and none of it required a CRUNCH. Now the dentist just kind of wiggles my cheek when I get the needle and I don't even feel it...really. My advice, shop around for a good dentist. Like anything else, there are good ones and bad ones.
Aug 02, 2006 12:03 pm they have a sedation dentest around here, dental work never really bothered me, but i LOVE beein' sedated! so i'm gonna try to get in there next time...from the radio commercial it's "just like beein' asleep" only you're not....i remember when i had one of those cameras shoved down my throat (checkin' for acid reflux, turned out it was 100 proof vodka causin' the pain) but anywho, i was tryin' to remain concious (to relish in the buzz) as long as possible, the doc said count to 20, i think i made it to 15 then woke up....
Aug 02, 2006 12:06 pm yeah, that nitrous stuff is the bomb...I had my wisdom teeth pulled a couple years back, they gave me that gas and some other stuff that I tried to fight, just for yucks, the dental ladies I faintly remember giggling at me and saying "don't bother trying to stay up, you'll lose"...I lost...
Aug 02, 2006 12:54 pm hahah yeah this place uses some kinda pill, it's hard to find a good nitrous dentest these days...i've never tried it myself though...
Aug 02, 2006 01:09 pm tallchap, every one of those fluoride incidents in the article are due to overdose. do you know how many natural things there are, in the world, that will kill you if you OD? here's a little known one: selenium, which is deliberately there in multivitamins. reason? your body actually needs a little. but take too much, and bye bye.
one of the weird thing about life is that it evolved here on earth amongst all sorts of poisonous trace elements. since the stuff was here, animal life learned to not only tolerate it, but use it: in the amounts that it typically shows up in the environment. the soil is not packed with selenium, but there's a little. so the body evolved to use 'a little.'
i dont see why we should make an exception for fluoride. it's a natural trace element in water. as long as people dont take in too much, it's like selenium for the body. it can handle it.
that said, i'd be fine with a law mandating supplemental fluoride in water and getting it out of more toothpastes. i don't care. i take care of my teeth, so i dont need it.
Aug 02, 2006 01:13 pm I'd be more for a law that mandates NOT putting any in water...trace elements, sure, I'll buy that, trace elements are just that, TRACE...however, putting MORE in it by artificial means is a recipe for disaster.
Plus, it made me spand money on a filter for my drinking water to REMOVE it.
The levels are artifically increased, tests have proven it's hazardous, of course, it's not tests that are conducted by the AMA...check out the study they did in the UK flouridating one city and not another and the differing rate of brain cancer and tumors that evolved in those two areas...
Many of those deaths were not intentional overdose, they were overdoeses that could be attributed to the additional flouride put in drinking water supplies.
Aug 02, 2006 01:26 pm yikes, thats what i meant. getting it out of water! i somehow forgot the not.
Aug 02, 2006 01:26 pm and hey lets get a link to those UK studies, eh? i would like to read that.
Aug 02, 2006 01:27 pm argh sorry i guess its in your first link up there.
Aug 02, 2006 01:27 pm I never read it on the web, I read it in a book...I'll see if I can find it, I am sure it's out there someplace...
Aug 02, 2006 01:28 pm bahahaha, shows my memory, I only remember reading it years ago...
Damn short term memory loss...probably from the flouride I used before I read it...
Aug 02, 2006 01:34 pm yeah no wonder i can't figure out how to set a compressor.
abolish fluoridation!
Aug 02, 2006 03:45 pm Forty, I understand what you're saying, however trace elements can also be quite hazardous - depending on individual tolerances. I have a friend who spent a week in hospital - literally hanging onto life by a fingernail - due to trace elements of sulphur in a homeopathic remedy he was given. His body cannot tolerate even the most minute amount. The same could be said for many of the trace elements in our environment. I too have a serious water treatment system in my house to remove a lot of the crap thats in the city water.
That municipalities even consider elevating levels of fluoride based on speculative data is completely draconian. Times change, and new discoveries are made every day. Remember, Thalidamide was once considered a wonder drug.
As dB-Wan noted above, even HIV doesn't kill people directly - it's having a depleted immune system that makes everything else so lethal. Fluoride may not be a deadly killer in itself, but in combination with factors it becomes a less than wonderful thing to have around.
Aug 02, 2006 04:05 pm We only drink bottled water. I don't trust our tap water for more reasons than flouride.
Aug 02, 2006 06:22 pm BeerHunter, I have bad news for you. Depending on the maker of the drinking water, you may still be getting trace or higher doses. I watched a report a few months ago that was one of those expose things. And they found many of the new upstart bottled water companies were doing nothing more then a standard filtration, nothing more. Now that isnt including the real water ones that are actually feeding from some deep down pure spring. But a local outfit, Glenwood Inglewood was caught bottling what was no more then basic tap water. Mildly filtered but definately not purified spring water as they advertised.
We have a filtration system here as well, I wouldnt drink straight up tap water in this city for any reason.
Aug 02, 2006 11:35 pm tallchap, but your friend must ingest sulfur from time to time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur
^ car exhaust, acid rain, the air we breathe in cities, batteries, wine, gunpowder, fireworks 2 essential amino acids (necessary for life) -- all of these things contain it in some form or another. some of these products and things contain sulfur compounds, which are different than the pure thing, but your friend is getting sulfur into his body in trace amounts somehow, just simply by living in industrial society. could the additive may have boosted his levels above what he can handle? some of those homeopathic things are totally not standardized. a lot of times you have no idea what the levels are, when you buy certain supplements.
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