WTF?

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news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=...mmigration_dc_4

Ah, so the illegal immagrants are gonna march to DEMAND things from a country they are in illegally from the tax-paying people that pay for the services they already get...

Yeah, good luck with that...

Sad thing is, it might actually work...

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Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 27, 2006 04:38 pm

anyone heard of these peeps yet?

ccir.net/mecha.html

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Apr 27, 2006 04:42 pm

Ha, a city of, say 6 million people, will have to not get anything done, because of, say 1 million other people.

Seems like there'll be a lot of upset people.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Apr 27, 2006 08:00 pm

yeah down here, as i type, we've got a 2 hour (no commercial) town meeting beein' broadcast about just this thing....Phil Valentine (local talk host, i think he's syndicated aswell) is really gettin' vocal about the issue....i'm torn on the issue, there's tons of mexicans here and it dosn't really bother me much, but still...bah...i'm stayin' outta this fight claim 'nutral' and let others work it out.

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Since: Jan 14, 2006


Apr 27, 2006 08:57 pm

well not liking the mexicans here period is just racist. But whether they are mexicans or not, they are breaking U.S. LAW and I can't see why the INS/federal gov. is slacking off here and let the problem get so huge...I guess certain laws just don't matter.

Anyway, maybe you arent affected by mexican immigrant neighbors blasting loud repetative music all night having parties with 15 people living in each house like I was in my old neighborhood. However, they adversely affect all of us (born citizens, legal hardworking immigrants) by taking full advantage of our services for free. Hospitals cannot deny them care and as a result, a single injured mexican alone could cost us several thousand dollars. Thats one of countless ways they drain the economy.

Aside from all of this, many websites posted by groups assembled by these immigrants are openly claiming that they deserve their land back (texas, california) and its an open challenge which is substantiated by these boycotts and marches waving the mexican flag. But I guess america has become one big (p)ussy.


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Apr 28, 2006 01:08 pm

Badges? We dont need no stinkin badges!

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Apr 28, 2006 01:47 pm

who wants to bet the potests turn violent?

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Apr 28, 2006 01:47 pm

That's a good point, say there's a guy, that immigrates here legally, does all the normal, expected stuff to become a citizen.

THen the next guy, just jumps the border, inserts himself into society illegally, then starts screaming about not getting equal rights, etc.

If I were guy # 1, I'd be upset that someone else comes here incorrectly, and starts making demands. Logic would dictate that the situation for the legal immigrants would probably get worse. And they can't like that.

Prince CZAR-ming
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Apr 28, 2006 01:48 pm

Sounds like the Xicano crowd is already expecting too.

Hopefully it doesn't happen.


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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 28, 2006 01:49 pm

Or, not just the legal immagrants, but the radicals on the subject are always bad for resorting to violence as well...

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Apr 28, 2006 02:19 pm

i feel alotta this is media hype....two months ago NOBODY was talkin' about this...everyone was getting along with their lives ect...then a few right-wing radio talk show hosts started gettin' loud about it (prolly for the ratings, and everyone was sick of talkin' about terrorism) so it's the new talk topic de jour......if this is such a huge big deal, how come this hasn't been a spoken issue before??? don't get me wrong, i'm sure plenty of people have discussed this topic on a formal level for years, but as far as stirring up the public and gettin' everyones panties in a bunch about it.....we's so good at that! i'm thinkin' it's a deversion to keep our mind off of other things like terrorism, iraq, healthcare, retirement plans ect...off the airwaves. legit issue, yes, but to get all emotional (aka angry) about the situation is not good for either side. ratings, that's all that matters. if you can keep your phone lines lit up, you're gonna get paid.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 28, 2006 02:23 pm

I would guess immigration and terrorism can be pretty closely linked since all the 9/11 terrorists were foreignors, also, it's becoming increasingly evident in these time of budget crunching, the real toll all the services for illegals takes on our economy, and I for one, and sick and tired of my tax dollars going to pay for hospital care or other social service for somebody that came here illegally and likely quite possibly doesn't pay taxes themselves.

Immigration has long been an issue, it has just recently become a top issue since 9/11 with homeland security and other, related topics.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Apr 28, 2006 03:29 pm

yeah i'm leaning on the whole "demagnitze the country" thing, cut all social services, including medical & educational, seriously fine their employers, and deport the ones in the justice system...i don't think we should "round 'em all up" and do a mass deportation, but say they get caught dealin' coke or somethin' once they hit jail, ship 'em off.

demagnitization (phrase coined right here in nashville) seems the best answer to me....i just don't think we can pull it off without alotta resentment on both sides.

and i think it's funny how a cuban can make it to land and get instant amnasty (sp?) because we hate commies, and it's for 'political reasons' that it's ok....yet when someone simply wants to work hard and better themselves and their families, we say "get the f outta our country you dirty mexican"

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 28, 2006 03:36 pm

Yeah, just rounding them up and shipping them out is a completely unachievable way to do it, it'll never work. Getting rid of them when they commit crimes I'll buy, and not giving them all our gov't services and such seems like a nobrainer.

While I appreciate somebody coming here, anybody coming here, wanting to work hard for a better life, coming here illagelly is not a goof foot to start on.

And as far as immigration and terrorists and the connection there, considering most or all ofthe terrorists came thru canada, I suspect concentrating on Mexico is a waste of resources...

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Apr 28, 2006 04:10 pm

I was thinking of that too, I wonder how many terrorists come in to the country via mexico. Probably not many. Most came through canada, it seems.

heh heh, he said goof foot =).


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Since: May 30, 2002


Apr 28, 2006 04:23 pm

It's kind of funny, I imagine there will be a few people emigrating to Mexico now.

Today, Mexico decriminalized marijuana and cocaine.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Apr 28, 2006 05:16 pm

if they can get their government legit, i'd accually be interested...but as of now, they are just a bit too corrupt for me.

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Apr 28, 2006 09:14 pm

Legalized small amounts of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin. Although sales will still be illegal and commericialized farming. With strict laws against government officials, and use/possession around schools. This blows away the Opiate Act from the Kingdom of the Netherlands which lists cocaine, ecstasy, and heroin as illegal.

There is in all honesty no reason to do drugs in Tiajuana as in most bars you can get a bar tender to pick you up on their shoulders and spin you until you can't see straight as is and then poor a bottle of tequila down your throat. All for five dollars, the price of one beer in American bars.


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Apr 29, 2006 04:07 am

i really love tacos

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Apr 30, 2006 03:40 am

The mexican bandit quote about the badges was from a film when the sherrif was trying to hire a posse.Might have been Blazing Saddles,not sure.

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May 01, 2006 10:46 am

"Guy #1" here. I am a "Resident Alien". Green card holder (you know the "green card" is pink, right?)
I have been through the INS (the INS is now the Department of Homeland Security....quite telling..) hell, paid my lawyer, signed up with Selective Service, paid my taxes, worked hard (and legally), and now own property, a late model car, and some nice toys. Nice. The American Dream.

What's so special about someone who can climb a fence, and can't/won't do anything from the list above? I will say that most Mexicans I know are extremely hard workers. However, why should I be out of pocket so they can break the law? If you decide to live and work in a country that's not your own, you have to live by the rules of that country. Simple as that.

That the Mexican government is standing behind the illegals is absolutely mind-boggling. That should be enough to earn them serious sanctions. Think about it. Illegally entering a country, en masse, with your government's backing, is called "an invasion."

Can you imagine what would happen if hundreds of thousands of Americans entered, say, Canada illegally, and then refused to live by the Canadian laws (...okay, you wags you...let's not bring up the vietnam draft dodgers)? There would be absolute mayhem, and worldwide debates/sanctions. What's the difference?

If Mexico wants California, and Texas back, they can come and get them.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 01, 2006 11:09 am

My wife and I are getting closer and closer to moving to Canada...

I wonder if these illegals staying away from work and shopping will also not visit the doctor, not call the police and not call the fire department should they need them...

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 01, 2006 11:13 am

In support, or because of it Large U.S. meat processors, including Cargill Inc., Tyson Foods Inc. and Seaboard Corp. said they will close plants.

Looks like I found three more companies to boycott...

Hold 'Em Czar
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May 01, 2006 11:32 am

i don't think i could give up my Dos Equis Amber!! thats some of the best beer i've ever had, we have it on tap here.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 01, 2006 11:40 am

No Mexican beer is worth NOT boycotting...

Answer:On a good day, lipstick.
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May 01, 2006 11:49 am

Maybe we taxpayers should all walk out on Cinco De Mayo?

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 01, 2006 11:50 am

I never walk in to Cinco De Mayo :-)

Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!!
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Since: May 11, 2002


May 01, 2006 08:13 pm

How did this protest effect me financially?

I made $200 in stock trading... my least liquid stock pubsf jumped 97% but I was only able to sell at a 20% gain... pubsf is a chain of Pubs... granted they did release earnings stating a 200% increase in business... but thats besides the point...


Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 01, 2006 10:43 pm

Well, I jsut heard the Hormell didnt suffer any setbacks, all the migrant workers that work there, were indeed there working. So I dont think they suffered, and I dont think this thing should have gotten as much press as it did either. But that is just me.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 02, 2006 06:08 am

Yeah, I heard that too, so, contrary to zek's sub-title, BUY SPAM, support migrant workers!

Czar of Midi
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May 02, 2006 08:14 pm

Try fried SPAM in maple syrup. Yum, Yum!

Makes for a great little treat. And cheap as all get out too.

Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!!
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May 02, 2006 11:02 pm

you guys are sick...


SPAM! It's more than ham! It's the rest of the pig...

Prince of Cat Ears
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May 03, 2006 01:24 pm

I found this thread a few days ago and was going to refrain from commenting until I found this article.

www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060501.shtml


I'm having a really hard time with current events as it appears pretty much every news outlet in the US is fully intent on blowing smoke up our collective arse.

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May 03, 2006 01:36 pm

My daughter once said to me, "Dad...what's in this sausage?"
I told her that she should never ask that question.

I'd hate for her to try SPAM.
"Dad...what's in this SPAM?"

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May 03, 2006 01:55 pm

well that is one source vs. the entire media. Who is to say this website has any more credability? Also, they list three taxes that only a percentage of illegals pay. Even if their statistics are correct, illegal immigrants absorb alot more money from us then they ever put in. They recieve earned income tax credit which exceeds the amount paid in since they are all considered to be under the poverty level.

The illegal immigrants also recieve numerous welfare benefits if they have a child in the U.S. who is considered to automatically be a citizen. Also, the extremly low medicare taxes paid in by an unskilled illegal does not even proportionally cover their own injuries such as a broken leg. The result is that money paid in by citizens is used and then the overall cost of medicare rises.

Bottom line, The middle class must work ten times harder to make a decent living while illegal immigrants enjoy numerous benefits that they are not entitled to by law.

Prince of Cat Ears
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May 03, 2006 02:09 pm

Half of the problem for the middle class, at least as I see it, isn't illegal immigration so much as a detached cadre of the insanely wealthy making policy decisions wherein cities sink, while the cash is "sunk" into development of nuclear weapons.

Granted, this is a separate issue, but if we're tracking where our money is going...

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 03, 2006 03:52 pm

Any site for "free minds" that has it's huge, big promotion ad that says they are appearing at so-and-so with Matt Stone and Trey Parker I am hardly going to put much wieght on their opinions...sorry, when hollywood types try to get all political, I quit listening...

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May 03, 2006 06:05 pm

lol db, i didn't even notice the southpark ad there.

But Sirrus, I would agree that our money is wasted all over the place. Mostly on NASA which not only has a goal that does not help our country at all, but they often lose their equipment in space anyway and waste more money. I think space exploration has to be our most obvious waste, I would agree that certain costs should be balanced when it comes to the war department but one must also not forget about the bigger picture. I know we are dealing with terrorists hiding in caves now, but rising threats like China must be kept at bay and we need to make sure we have optimal war capability.

I assume "cities sink" refers to New Orleans. I think that it is kind of hard to judge our government on that issue. The city was placed in the most unsensible place it could have been built. A hurricane came right at it which nobody could stop. The city would have sunk anyway, as far as saving lives, who can really know how fast a FEMA response should have been? When has something this big happened before?

I think you nor I can really get to the bottom of that since we do not know how FEMA or the government works internally on intracate issues/operations. But as I see it, people were warned to evacuate. People ignored the warning and some were supposidly "too poor" to leave. What is the government supposed to do? buy a million trucks to haul people out when nothing may even happen? Aside from that, I don't think that the people would have agreed to leave anyway.

aside from my rambling, of coarse everything intertwines but illegal immigrants are just that. ILLEGAL. they hurt the economy, not help it. The law already in place would protect us from this but it is not being enforced, end of story.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 03, 2006 06:12 pm

The New Orleans thing can not even come close to being blamed on the federal gov't alone...people were told to leave, many didn't, too poor, too stupid, too lazy, whatever the reason, these people are adults, the gov'ts job is to govern, not babysit.

The local gov't in New Orleans is/was one of the most corrupt in the nation at local level, and this disaster exposed that, diverting fund from useful projects to line pockets of local office holders. Of course, it also exposed an inept friend of Bush in control of FEMA, but while that is the highest level of exposed problems, it was FAR from the only problem.

Paying taxes, not paying taxes, whatever, illegal is illegal, a heroine dealer that legitimately pays taxes on his income is still a heroine dealer...illegal is illegal.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 03, 2006 07:38 pm

When describing SPAM just say, parts is parts! And leave it at that. It is no differant then HeadCheese or the like. Its all meat protein, and well, stuff.

And as far as that article goes. I gotta agree that it looks like a load of horse droppings to me as well. If such a majority of those people are working for meeger wages, and paying taxes. Someone needs to explain to me how they can afford an Escalade with all the trimmings from Pimp My Ride. And still have a house full of kids they support as well.

I make a damn good living, and I sure dont have the extra dosh to toss out on a ride like that.

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May 03, 2006 08:00 pm

Yes dB, I very much agree with all of that. People these days think that the government is supposed to be some kind of super hero. Just like a child thinks his daddy can do anything. The mayor of New Orleans further revealed his incompetance by making racist statements like "We will strive to make New Orleans Chocolate" like Bush must have pushed him and his black brothers down by praying to God for a hurricane to strike.

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May 03, 2006 09:44 pm

I think I saw on the BBC rss feed about how more westerners trust the government than the media...

Maybe my cynicism is a gift... but a lot of people and organizations go around saying things they don't know much about... best example is (in the US) The Food Pyrimid... put out by the USDA... if the FDA did it then ok... but should we really believe a chart describing how much of what type of food to eat put out by the organization incharge of the producers?...

WMD in Iraq... we "knew" they had them... because we gave them to them... they didn't use them _all_ on the Kurds and iranians did they?... must have... I remember watching the daily economics show on PBS where a guy said Microsoft looks good because it's going to release Vista... even though the day prior Bill Gates sold a couple million dollars of the stock... My local weather radars are calibrated so a light rain appears yellow ... the green dopler areas are where it "might rain" Columbus is a nice city... we have no homeless living on the streets... they stay in the parks and off by the railroad tracks. etc...

Prince of Cat Ears
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May 04, 2006 02:32 pm

I don't by any means intend to excuse terrorism committed against the US or illegal immigrants, etc. My concern is consistency, insofar as it can be accomplished.

On the score of New Orleans, the failure was on the part of the levies, which President Bush was warned were inadequate and in need of repair and reinforcement prior to 9-11. To say that the fault lay on the people who lived there (though I do agree - what kind of dingbat builds a city below sea level?) would be like blaming a motorist trying to escape some sort of disaster zone by bridge only to find that the bridge was out.

Panicked Motorist: Hey, I need out of town and this is the only road!

Dept of Trans: Sorry, budget cuts. We had to blow up some Iraquis.

(Everybody Dies - End of Story)

Granted, that's a dramatization, but it's the same basic concept. Things like levies and roads are basic infrastructure for which the government is responsible. You don't pay to have a pothole in the road by your house fixed (at least not directly) and you certainly don't coordinate having it taken care of.

The people of New Orleans were let down by a federal government equipped to reinforce their defenses against weather such as the hurricane that hit them - they simply didn't rank as a high priority in the face of blowing things up apparently.

For that matter, I still question the validity of blowing up Iraq save as recreation when we've basically proven they didn't pose threat one to us on anything other than an ideological level. Saddam was more dangerous to his own people than us.

Anyway, this is turning into a five-fold discussion, so I'll quit before I hijack the thread further or really lose my focus (too late!).

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