Dec 10, 2005 10:51 pm Should work. Mixer line ins are high impedance and so are is the output of your gats. pre.
Electro-Acoustic guitar, mixer preamp & preamp
Posted on Dec 10, 2005 10:28 pm
piyan
Member Since: Dec 10, 2005
Hello. I'm a beginner to computer base home recording and just registered, so please be easy on me.
I've ordered Behringer ub1204 mixer yesterday. Before I make the order I already read the manual and yes it's the mixer I'm looking for. My qeustion is, I have an electro-acoustic guitar and I want to plug into the mixer. Is it ok I plug it directly to mixer's line-in TRS or I have tp plug it to mic-in XLR? For additional info, before this I use to plugged my guitar to my soundcard's mic-in cause it does not work on soundcard's line-in. My guitar requires a 9 volt battery to operate, without battery its useless. Do I need a guitar preamp such as Behringer V Tone Guitar GD121 or AD121 or I need DI Box. Actually I'm not looking for color sound or warm sound but I clean sound. Thanks in advance.
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Dec 10, 2005 10:51 pm Should work. Mixer line ins are high impedance and so are is the output of your gats. pre.
Dec 10, 2005 10:55 pm Yep, CS is correct. The PRe amp on the guitar should give you plenty of signal to run straight through the board. That is how I set mine up for the direct line.
When or if you have a mic to use try miccing to one track and then send the other track the direct signal and mix them together.
Dec 10, 2005 11:18 pm Thanks CS.
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Noize2u, may I know why you recommend me to add micing instead of single straight to line-in. Any differencse? Sorry for silly question because I never use proper preamps for this guitar before so I don't know how it's real sound like.
Dec 10, 2005 11:28 pm The peizo mic inside your acoustic is probably very low quality. Also, the only way the tone can be changed is with EQ. It does however adaquately caprute the detail of the notes.
A microphone wil give you a more natural tone and you can adjust the tone by moving the mic. By mixing them both you get the detail and the depth of the sound.
Dec 11, 2005 01:01 am CS, I don't think the piezo mic is low in quality. I have tested this guitar on a preamp combo provided the music shop where I bought it long ago. The sound was great that I dont know how to describe but I'm very impressed at that time.
I don't know what combo preamp type they used but for sure it was a branded one. I still looking for the sound but I don't want to buy the combo because I'm in a tight budget. I think with a good mixer preamp and software base simulator effect will do the trick, hopefully. For additional info, most electro-acoustic can't compete the sound quality of good acoustic guitar, miking doesn't doing any help either.. imho. I said this because my guitar sounds crap when unplug but still I like the sound when plugged as what I have mentioned above.
Dec 11, 2005 01:20 am Compare it yourself. Take a large diaphragm condensor (rode NT1a for eg.) place it about 30 cm from the 12th fret of your guitar, and record the D.I. and the mic. It will always beat a simulator IMO.
Spec wise, a LD mic will blow a piezo out of the water.
I've made fantastic recordings for bands with my $100 acoustic/electric guitar. I love the sound of it mic'd up lol.
And in my old band, the guitarist had e V. nice ($$) fender acoustic electric. Sounded wicked. For one song he could't be bother taking 'all that time' to mic up the guitar and forced me to D.I. He was happy, but it sounded horrid : ).
Oh, in my profile theres a song called 'let me in'. That acoustic guitar was one of my friends old cheapo classical guitars. Probably about $50 NZ? with old strings as well. He had also given it a D.I.Y. paint job, with pretty flowers etc. I love how it sounds though.
Is it a 'fishman' acoustic pickup? I've heard good things about those.
Dec 11, 2005 02:42 am I'm not sure what your intention but miking is out of question unless my guitar sounds great acoustically.
Any suggestion for good preamp spesific for this type of guitar? I certainly like to hear that.
Dec 11, 2005 02:55 am Sorry if I'm a tad slow here, but does you guitar not sound good acoustically?
Your mixer pre's should do the job nicely. I'm not too big on pre amp knowledge so hopefully someone else will chime in.
Good luck!
Dec 11, 2005 11:27 am I can't imagine any acoustic/electric that sounds better plugged in than it does unplugged...that peizo pickup sound is so fake and thin sounding, and I can always pick it out no matter how much somebody tries to cover it up with EQ/effects.
Slap some new strings on that guitar and try some different micing positions. I would be willing to bet that some experimenting will yield better results than running it direct.
Dec 11, 2005 12:16 pm Hello piyan, I'll through my thought's in here as well on why I suggested miccing be added.
As Tadpui suggested above, there is a certain sound an acoustic/elesctric has that is somewhat thin no matter how good the piezo/pre amp combo in the guitar itself is. I own a mid level acoustic with a higher end pickup/pre amp combo in it. I as well do not like the sound of it unplugged as you do with your's.
However, I have found that when I combine the direct sound through the board as well as putting a mic approximately where CS stated above. Then I mix the direct track and the micced track's together to get a much fuller sound. You might be surprised what you will get if you try this.
Even though the guitar all on it's own may not sound pleasing by itself, the little extra nuance's picked up by the microphone will add som much character that the piezo just cant pick up. Thing's like you finger's or pick on the string's, it just give's it more body and fullness.
I hope that kinda explains it for you. Feel free to aks more question's if needed.
Dec 11, 2005 07:16 pm Tadpui, I'm not looking for acoustic sound but synthatic one. I agreed with most of what you have said, but my personal taste still prefer the sound plugged what I have mentioned above, I know it sound thin but kinda weird I like it. Thanks.
Dec 11, 2005 07:16 pm Noize2U, I think you are an expert in this area. Thanks for valuable input here. I will try your suggestion and I think it's good idea for me to test first and see the outcome. Thanks again.
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