Midi recording problem with Cubase SX3 and my Remote25
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Posted on Nov 15, 2005 04:13 pm
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Member Since: Nov 15, 2005
Hello out there. Please help me, this problem's making me go crazy. Here's the thing, i've got my Novation Remote25 keyboard controller hooked up via USB and it works fine and without lag when i play back VSTis, but when i hit record, it places the midi notes way behind when i've played them. It's making it totally pointless to record anything because it's all way out of time and it's seriously hampering any music-making i try to do... I had SX1 a few years back and had the same problem with the same keyboard but a Novation update seemed to fix it. I have the newest updates for my keyboard and SX3 but they're no help at all. I seemed to fix it once (and only for about 30 seconds ???) by changing the midi input setting in the track inspector to 'No Input' and then back to 'Remote25' but it doesn't work anymore. Is this the wierdest problem ever, or what? Sorry about the long post but i thought the mo' info the better. Thanks in advance y'all,
T.
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 15, 2005 07:58 pm I am not real familier with SX3, but first things I would look for are if you have any offsets set up for either midi or audio timing. Someone else just had a similar problem and I believe it was in Cubase as well. I would definately go through all your settings for input and recording and make sure there is nothing out of the ordinary. ITs easy to miss one simple thing sometimes.
Hopefully one of those more familier with Cubase will stop by and give some advice as well.
Nov 15, 2005 08:48 pm Go to device setup, VST audio bay and hit the 'expert' button.
Check if Audio priority is very high and if so change if to medium or something. Hope that helps.
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Nov 15, 2005 09:36 pm You might also check your latency on the ASIO panel itself in the setup. Your monitoring setup in Cubase setup might also be throwing you.
Nov 16, 2005 06:35 am Hi Noize2u, Colonel_Sanders and Jmail and thanks for the replies - tried all the above but not a thang changed :( I'll c if i can get a video of the problem in action tomorrow somehow, because it even LOOKS weird when it's happening (when i hold a note during record it follows the playback cursor but when i release it i can see it snap back by almost a bar - also, if i have it recording on a short loop, say, 1 bar, when i release a note it doesn't go back but forward instead - as if it wants to go back but it doesn't have room (?) so it goes forward instead. One thing i didn't mention before is that i think this problem started happening when i installed my new Trigger Finger device (which is also USB connected), although at the moment i'm troubleshooting this problem with it disconnected to minimize the potential problems. Do you think just having it installed in the Windows registry could be f$%#ing it up? Thanks again for your responses y'all - please don't give up on me - i think we can show my computer who's the boss. IT is, apparently, but i feel that if we show it some respect, it may start being nice to me again.... cheers;)
Tom E.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 16, 2005 08:09 pm Just a thought here. I know in Sonar I can set a snap value or swing value for the recorded notes to set themselves to. I am wondering if by chance you might have that set up and on. The thing that makes me think it might be something like that is you saying sometimes it will go backward and sometimes forward. When they move backward or forward is it to an exact measurement such as either the exact measure boundry or maybe say a quarter note boundry. Something to that nature? Maybe Walt will stop by and have an idea of what might be happening here. He has been using Cubase for awhile. As well as coco, he might have a clue on this as well.
Nov 17, 2005 03:49 am Thanks again for writing me back Noize but i did some more searching and checked out the Novation website for help too and i found this quote on this page (it's the first no.10 entry on the right of the page):
www.novationmusic.com/pro...;bArchive=False
---start quote ---10) When used with Cubase SE, SX or SX2 any VSTi instruments can be played perfectly well in real time but playing back a recording made with the ReMOTE results in notes playing out of time.
This is related to the way that the ReMOTE has been assigned within the Cubase Device Setup when the generic surface file found on the ReMOTE driver and resource CD has been imported. See the tips and tricks section of the website to download a help pdf. ---end quote---
I did try and set up my Remote 25 as a Generic Remote (to not much avail though) and it may well have been this step that caused the problem. Unfortunately, i went to the Novation Tips & Tricks page and they had absolutely no advice on how to fix this problem. I did email the company though, so hopefully they'll write back before i smash my keyboard through my monitor. Hopefully... If anyone out there can help me sooner i would certainly appreciate it though. Later all, and thanks again,
Tom
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 17, 2005 06:05 pm Well its good the problem has been identified. I would think for the price Novation charges for their unit it would play nice with any and all programs, but I guess not.
Be patient I guess and hopefully it will get resolved in the end. And dont smash the moniter, that would be more expensive then just replacing the Remote 25 with something that worked out of the box.
Nov 17, 2005 09:52 pm Thanks for the help anyway mate, i'll just wait for Novation to reply. Hopefully, they'll get back to me before 2006 but then again.... Fingers crossed anyhoo. Thanks again,
Tom
p.s. i'll post a message about how to fix it once it gets sorted (again, fingers crossed) just in case anyone has the same problem in the future (i think it's really weird that if you do a Google search for this problem, using "midi record problem novation remote cubase", not a single article on the above issue appears - i know it's not the tidiest search term but...).
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Nov 19, 2005 04:19 pm 'nother thought: check your "driver" for the midi mapping... don't use Windows mm, they're a whiny, baff-hass-ackwards dog...
Nov 19, 2005 05:39 pm Got it fixed everyone! Apparently SX3 does funny things with midi drivers (which i believe Mr. Neutron was just alluding to above) and the way to fix it is remove the file 'ignoreportfilter' from the 'midi port enabler' folder located in the Cubase SX3 install directory. Now, when i load up Cubase it has 2 sets of each midi driver (one is emulated and the other is not) and the emulated one seems to be the one that works. Funny, that. I mean, if, in the new version of your program you're gonna get rid of the multiple options that appear the same, why would you make the default option the one that's knackered and doesn't work and makes people cry? Steinberg, love 'em. Hate 'em. Love 'em again.... Thanks again for everyone's input, i'll write back when my soundcard explodes from overuse! Bye,
Tom Ellefsen
Nov 13, 2007 10:40 am Yes, I had this exact same problem on Cubase 2.1. Notes were actually recorded as happening before i'd even pressed them. Very strange, but i did the same fix and renamed the file you mentioned. All sorted.
