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Posted on Oct 27, 2005 05:57 am
Grum
Member Since: Dec 31, 2004
I have tried everything to solve this problem but without any luck. The sound from my monitors is puzzling me, if I pan hard to the left it sounds too tiny and if I pan to the right it sounds too bassy. I have posted this problem before and it came to the conclusion that it must be the amp, so I have got a new amp but the problem is still there. This is my setup
M-Audio 1010
Behringer EURORACK UB2442FX-PRO
Alesis RA150 Power Amp
Tannoy Reveal
Software Sonar 3
The Amp and Monitors are connected via the Monitor output on the Desk.
Could anyone help, I have tried bypassing equipment (i.e desk and soundcard) and also I've tried all the outputs on the sound card.
I have the monitors in a position where the one is in a corner (right bassy) and the other in the middle of the wall (left tiny) would this effect this.
Please Please Help!!!
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Oct 27, 2005 06:19 am do your monitors have any roll off filters or EQ on them?
I suppose the placement of the monitors could affect the sound, the only way to know for sure would be to move them lol.
Try switching the left and right outputs around. See if the right speaker is still bassy. If it does, my guess would be you have a problem with your speakers.
Have you checked your cables?
Other than that, I have no idea.
Oct 27, 2005 06:27 am As a rule, I'd never put one speaker in a corner, it will boost the bass. There is possibility that you have a low frequency mode/standing wave boosting bass in the corner. I rekon you pretty much need symmetry for good acoustics for mixing setup.
GrumMember
Since: Dec 31, 2004
Oct 27, 2005 06:35 am cheers guys I have played around with the positioning this seemed to make no real difference, I also know it is not the speakers as I have changed them around and I also had the same problem with the previous pair I had. I have changed the outputs too. This may sound stuppid but would slightly different lenght speaker cable make any difference, and infact the quality. I have pretty decent cable but there is better available.
Oct 27, 2005 07:15 am You put them both in the middle of a wall with same distance from boundaries and it still makes no difference? Then i have no idea.
Oct 27, 2005 07:37 am Different length cable can make a difference if it's MUCH different, but the difference would be latency, not tone generally.
The problem is placement. Describe how you moved them...also, it could be what they are sitting on...if one is sitting on a desk and the other on a stack of books (for example) it will create different sounds from each as well. The stuff the speakers are sitting on will absorb vibration different and color the sound, often time VERY differently. Make sure your speakers are in the same position relative to corners and walls and sitting on the same type of surface.
Your best bet, in a pinch, is to perhaps get small rubber feet for the bottom of the speakers to help them be somewhat isolated from the object on which they sit. The best answer is always expensive tho, tspeaker stands like these www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=353 which I can say first hand are great.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Oct 27, 2005 01:03 pm Ya, before you buy a new amp. Switch the amp channels to the speakers leaving the speakers where they reside. IF the problem does not switch sides then look to dB's post for answers. Your physical accoustic 'space' is just as much a speaker as is the little box with cones in it.
Oct 27, 2005 01:05 pm Also, take note of where your speakers are ported, I have not worked with the Tannoy Reveal myself, I see none are front ported, but if they have a rear port and they are close to a wall it will color the sound a lot. If one is next to a wall and one is in a corner rear ports will make a VERY dramatic difference.
If there are no ports, then ignore this post.
EDIT
- by "post" I mean air flow hole that is commonly found in speakers for air movement.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Oct 27, 2005 01:11 pm Positioning would be my guess as well. I've heard also, that pulling the speakers more than 1 foot from the wall will drop any coupling with the wall behind it. There may be factors in the walls behind each speaker that affects the sound differently (window vs wall, drywall vs concrete, etc, etc.)
Process of elimination, remove each step along the way and see what's left.
Also, I agree loads with dB's post, decouple the speakers from the platform they're sitting on, as well as keeping them out of corners.
I had a pair of the Reveals, 1.5 ft from wall behind them, plus 2.5 ft from wall on the left side. I didn't have noticable discoloration from the walls behind and to the left. The walls were pine planking, with sound absorbers back and left. The two signals were very balanced and had nice imagery.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Oct 27, 2005 01:14 pm had the same idea there dB, they do port in the back, and the wall makes big difference. That's why I moved them out, and put some absorbtion behind them. They were still a little bassy, but not bad.
Oct 27, 2005 01:20 pm Yeah, my monitors are rear ported and a couple friends (Noize2u being one) continually gave me crap about having them too close to the wall in my old house, now they are about 6 feet from the nearest wall...
Having absoption behind them can even be damaging to the sound, the best bet per my experiamentation a while back, is to leave them free of obstruction (absorbing or reflecting) for at least 3-4 feet if you monitor at high volumes. Ports are sized and tuned to meet a specific spec, and changing that in anyway gives the speaker a certain amount of coloration.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Oct 27, 2005 01:39 pm I wish I had more time to get a good 'ear' on mine before they burned. I had them in the garage first, then in the basement when they went poof. I'll have a dedicated area in the basement now, but unfortunately won't have 6 ft to put behind them, maybe 1 or 2.
It'll be fun to figure out though.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 27, 2005 07:15 pm pjk, I would make a suggestion here then regarding your next set of moniters. If your going to be in close as you say, then steer yourself toward front ported moniters. After I switched to the KRK's with front porting it made all the differance in the world for me, as I am in close quarters here as well.
Grum, as stated earlier by dB and Walt. Try switching the cable at the speaker end. Left cable going to right moniter and so on. If that doesnt make any differance then positioning or as dB stated the material they are sitting on is the guilty party.
GrumMember
Since: Dec 31, 2004
Oct 28, 2005 09:48 am Cheers guys for all the wise words, I have already bought a new amp (the old one was not the best anyway) I will try all the above and see how I get on. Thanks again.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Oct 28, 2005 12:48 pm I've been thinking about that, I've just seen a pair of Wharfdale Diamond Pro that I'm keen on. They're front ported, and active.
Anybody tried these out?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 28, 2005 11:32 pm That type of speaker is geared more toward the home Hi-Fi market. Although they are a very high end speaker they may be a bit colored for nearfield moniter use. I suggest listening to a pair and comparing them to a pro audio nearfiled moniter before shelling out the cash for those.
sticadokid*sticado: short and LOUD!*Member
Since: Feb 25, 2005
Oct 29, 2005 12:09 am if the new amp doesnt work: u could try another pair of speakers. doesnt nessissarily have to be new or good... just different to see if the bassiness is still on the right. could it be the delta? i have a 1010lt and mine is fine but i heard some bad reports from m-audio lately. if that doesnt make a difference then listen to some music in a CD player and see.. er... hear if its just ur ears. that happened to me when i was about 8 and i got tubes in my ear for a month and now im fine.
sticadokid*sticado: short and LOUD!*Member
Since: Feb 25, 2005
Oct 29, 2005 12:11 am wow that was an oprah moment... lol
... mad tv... ive been watching too much of it
Oct 29, 2005 08:06 pm My left ear hears stuff louder than my right so I have to crank my right speaker to get an even stereo field lol.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 29, 2005 08:09 pm Thats not a good thing CS. Hope you dont crank it up to loud.
Oct 29, 2005 08:12 pm Oh, no, I'm living in a one bedroom apartment in a high rise building at the mo'. The walls are paper thin, so if I turn it up too much I'll get a visit from the manager : (
sticadokid*sticado: short and LOUD!*Member
Since: Feb 25, 2005
Oct 29, 2005 09:26 pm i think my left ear picks up more bass then my right, but then sometimes its even... i have bi-polar ears lol i dont know...
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Oct 30, 2005 02:03 pm Say, Grum, are you sure you don't have some software setting tweaked and getting the sound that way? You changed amps, you changed speakers, you've moved speakers... The "corner loading" will contribute, the port being blocked will contribute, but to me, it sounds like you've got something on a buss in your mix or something of that order... perhaps your "bassy" parts are panned a little to hot right? How about your software mixer setup? Do you have any of that Creative software? Look for an EQ thingey if you do. If nothin' else, take the whole setup apart and put it all back together. Be sure and check your software settings...
Edit: PS: be sure you've got both speakers wired the same, in other words, the "red" is "positive", whatever. You don't want them out of phase with each other. Use some heavy gauge speaker wire, both sides with the same gauge and length of wire.
