Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Off the Mackie detail...
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Posted on Oct 18, 2005 11:53 am
Member Since: Sep 23, 2005
Allright, folks... I wanna hear everybody's opinions on these brand names or if you're actually familiar with any of these products, which features or products you like the most.
Here's the application: Mixing a live band for small shows and backyard bashes, and/or recording to start a demo CD. Drummer with very large double bass drumset and two hihats, so 8 microphones for bass drums, snare, hi toms, mid toms, floor toms, and overheads for cymbals. Two guitarists, bass, one vocal. So ideally, 12 full mic inputs minimum, a couble of sub mix busses to allow separate monitors (front monitors and drummer's monitor), a 3-band EQ and hopefully a mid-sweep, maybe some of those built-in digital effects, and rack-mountable to fit into my SKB Gig-Rig (1SKB19-R1010).
I've already got the DBX 266XL stereo compressor/limiter for controlling vocals, the DBX 1215 stereo eq, and I'm prolly gonna get the DBX 1046 4-channel comp/gate so that I can control the strength of those drums.
So far, I've found these guys, downloaded the owners manuals to read up and study their features. Now, I don't want to make a judgement just based on the manuals, but I'll tell ya what... a well-constructed manual with good graphics and correct grammar sure does make an impression! I won't mention names, here, but when you try to type up a manual to include five different languages, it's as torturous as following a rugby game through a blind man's color commentary.
I've got a better understanding of how a few questionable features work. Among those are inserts for compressors, sub busses, sending signals to the onboard effects, and the PFL indicators and the different ways to view them. I'm not interested in the mixer/amp combos, cuz I don't need a blown amp melting the board as well. I'd rather blow the amp and just replace that when someone decides to pour a beer on it or a kid rides his bike straight into the gear or any crazy **** that can, AND WLL, happen.
Here's the mixers I'm currently juggling around:
Mackie 1604-VLZ-PRO www.mackie.com/products/1604vlzpro/index.html
Soundcraft Spirit FX16 www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=22
Soundcraft Spirit E12 www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=26
Soundcraft Spirit SX www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=25
Behringer Eurorack MX3242X www.behringer.com/MX3242X/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Behringer Eurorack UB2442FX-PRO www.behringer.com/UB2442FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Allen & Heath MixWizard WZ3-16:2 www.allen-heath.com/US/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=49
Now, I know the MX3242X isn't yet available cuz it just came out. Gotta give it time to be distributed. But I really love the fact that it's got 4 busses, 4-band EQ per channel, plenty of aux paths, A LEVEL METER ON EACH AND EVERY CHANNEL, flipping sources, muting, lo-cut on each channel, hell this thing is obviously loaded down like a van full of drugs crossing the border! It's got a ton of potential, if I weren't so weary of the quality reputation Behringer has so far. But we'll see...
I know the UB2442FX-PRO only has 10 mic pres, but since I'm using the 266XL for main vocals, I could probably get away with using it as the gain stage then straight to the board's stereo inputs and save the mic pres for straight mics that need a gain stage. Plus my bass amp can go line-out with a DI Box (Damned Ampeg doesn't include Ground Lifts on their XLR outs! GRRR!) and use the stereo inputs as well.
The Allen & Heath really looks promising so far. It's got enough of what I'm looking for, and might be good enough.
I'm very familiar with the Mackie 1604 and watched a guy in action with it, so the newer version is just a better updated model. I'm really leaning towards the reliability of Mackie, and how familiar I am with it.
The FX16 seems to only have two buss channels, yet has 6 aux returns. A bit confusing, but I can also send the busses straight to the mix. I wonder if all the boards can do that with their busses? And the manual is not helping me too much.
The E12 and SX seem good enough. I still need to study their manuals in-depth now that I've got them printed out.
I'm not touching the ONYX boards from Mackie cuz they're way out of the price range, and none will fit into my Gig Rig. Haven't found a decent Yamaha to compare to these yet. Anyone know which one would be equivalent?
That's enough for now. I dunno how well this thread will take off, but I figure this is necessary equipment that any small, self-reliant band should research and understand. I'm all typed out, now. I'ma go back to pretending to work.
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