Oct 11, 2005 06:55 am I can honestly say I pay no attention to it.
Role models
Posted on Oct 11, 2005 05:23 am
dragonorchid
Sound Gal - Michelle
Member Since: Jul 11, 2005
Okay, i have a question for everyone...
Who's mixes do you listen to for references that make you think, "I wish i could mix like that!"
I have two favourites:
Tom Lord Alge and Elliot Scheiner.
Elliot Scheiner mixed the last two Toto Albums - 'Mindfields' and 'Tambu' - the tone of the mixes of both these albums make me want to cry for want of emulation...
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Oct 11, 2005 06:55 am I can honestly say I pay no attention to it.
Oct 11, 2005 09:17 am I don't really think that much about it either. A good song transcends the mix...makes you forget all about it...that's where it's at for me. Similarly, a great mix doesn't help a crappy song.
Just my humble opinion...
Oct 11, 2005 09:24 am I agree that you can't polish a turd, but there are a few albums that just make me say WOW.
I recently listened to the EP Young Liars from TV on the Radio, and the mix on the title track is really something to behold. It is SO intense, its like every frequency is at its max, but everything is crystal clear and not muddy. Plus, I'll say for the 20th time, that guy's voice sounds just like OldDog :-)
Oct 11, 2005 10:02 am If I had to pin down a great mix/production, I'd probably pin down just about anything Tom Waits has put out since Raindogs. Granted, I've paid no mind to who has produced it (my guess is that he handles it himself) and probably wouldn't use it as a reference as my music isn't really much like his...but there you go.
Oct 11, 2005 10:25 am Quote:
just about anything Tom Waits has put out since Raindogs
Oh God I love it when people cite Tom Waits. His production can evoke so many cool images. Real Gone has such a great gritty warmth to it...like this crackly, antique, found-it-buried-in-the-back-yard kind of overall distortion to it. But what about Swordfishtrombones?
Oct 11, 2005 10:41 am Jack Puig, who produced the Jellyfish albums, and Mitchell Froom, who produced many of Richard Thompson's work. Amazing mixing. Also, Larry Klein - Joni Mitchell's husband, bass player,and producer. All magnificent.
Dependent on the type of song, I also love to listen to Gus Dudgeon's work on the early Elton John stuff.
If I could only mix like that!
Oct 11, 2005 01:16 pm Quote:
But what about Swordfishtrombones?
Sorry I missed that one - I often forget what order that trilogy (Swordfishtrombones, Rain Dogs, and Frank's Wild Years) came out. I'd say from that point on.
At the same time, not having been intimately acquainted with his prior work, I'd just have to say the man is a genius and leave it at that.
There's just something to be said for a piano ballad that starts with the creak of the bench as the performer seats himself. That's tonal character!
Oct 11, 2005 02:27 pm "I can honestly say I pay no attention to it."
(--arent you the guy that runs home recording connection? the truth comes out!)
Oct 11, 2005 02:32 pm hehehe, well, I can say I pay no attention to who does production of what, and this guy is better than that guy and all that...I listen, I enjoy, I don't care who did it or follow any producers sound or style.
I have no role models in production.
Oct 11, 2005 03:10 pm I have sounds I'd love to achieve, but can't say I've really thought anything about who actually did it. So I don't really have any role models, only examples of mixes I'd like to reach. ;)
Dan
Oct 11, 2005 03:43 pm My role models are OldDog and Coco!!
Seriously, many of you HRCers (especially those two) seem to get that "professional" sound out of home recording gear. That's all I'm really after. I would like my music to sound like it was recorded in a studio by someone who knows what they are doing instead of sounding like it was recorded in my basement with a $60 condenser mic and my daughter's Fisher-Price "See and Say".
Oct 11, 2005 03:48 pm Quote:
My role models are OldDog and Coco!!
****, and I was gonna come out to Menomonie with the family to watch your gig at the art festival...well, screw you! :-p
kidding of course...I mean about the screw you, I seriously might come out to the show.
Oct 11, 2005 05:36 pm You mean, I need new role models??
That would be awesome to see you...I'm not exactly sure what the deal is with that Art festival, we were just asked if we would play for a few hours. It's outdoors, so it might be kinda chilly! (Or even snowing!!)
Oct 11, 2005 06:17 pm I guess I should have also asked how you knew about the gig?
Oct 11, 2005 06:53 pm I was at your web site this morning.
Oct 11, 2005 08:54 pm I like the old Creedence Clearwater Revival methodology where you just plugged in and went "twang"...
Edit: 'Course, they had the song down *before* they recorded it...
Oct 11, 2005 10:23 pm Are there any female recording and mix engineers or producers?
Oct 12, 2005 01:45 am [quote]
My role models are OldDog and Coco!![/quote]
Hey thanks for the kind words Jim, though at least in my case I think you should aim a bit higher. :D All you have to do to sound like me is get something like Ozone 3 and that'll about do it.
Dan
Oct 12, 2005 07:49 am Are we talking sound engineers, recording producers, or both?
If either, then I'd say:
Flemming Rasmussen
Sascha Paeth
Charlie Bauerfeind
Mike Portnoy
Jim Morris
Oct 14, 2005 11:58 pm Hey dB, I say we go anyway. Even though he didnt consider you or myself as idol's. :-(
He could have at least included us in the list.
For me I'm with the others. I listen to my old mixes to see where I've been and where I am now.
If I were to pick one album I think is produced great it would be Mathew Sweets Girlfriend album. No over the top anything on that record. Simply put everything is in its place and sounds as though it should be there. If you own it or get the chance to borrow it. Sit down right between the speakers and turn it up a bit. The placement of every single insturment comes out in such detial. I suggest listening on a higher end system though any system will do just as long as you have good seperation between the speakers. He mixed it so you hear everything as though you were sitting right in the middle of the session.
Oct 15, 2005 02:48 am Well I think that it's important toknow the industry you're in and along with that the major players.
I really dig a lot of Andy Wallace's mixes and aspire to develop my ear so I too am a sought after Mix Engineer.
Of course, the "dream" is to be known as a musician/producer but we'll see.
Oct 15, 2005 04:17 am wallace is the only guy i recognize or really know about. i guess he's that good. well, albini, too.
Oct 15, 2005 10:39 am Yeah I second Jack Joseph Puig and Andy Wallace. Rudy Van Gelder did a lot of good stuff for Blue Note recording straight to 2 tracks. Some of it's amazing to think it was basically a live mix. If you can check out Kenny Burrell's Midnight Blue it's got that "sitting right in the middle of the session" thing. As far as female producers/engineers, Sylvia Massey (Tool) is the first that comes to mind, and I know Linda Perry's been doing some albums recently.
Oct 29, 2005 11:27 pm Cool, I checked out Sylvia Masseys stuff, nice gear she has. drooling :-)
Apparently there has only been one female sound engineer win a grammy - I think her name is Trina Shoemaker?
Oct 29, 2005 11:39 pm Wally Gagel. He recorded and mixed absolution by muse, and it sounds freakin' fantastic. *cries*
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