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Posted on Sep 29, 2005 11:48 am
Hiro Protagonist
Member Since: Sep 09, 2005
Ok...so you guys were right. I'm reading through the mixer manuals, and it's not quite as overwhelming as I thought it would be. Next question though.
Right now i'm looking at the Behringer UB1204-PRO mixer. It has 4 mono inputs w/ phantom power and two stereo inputs. I'm assuming for a simple guitar/vocal combo that i'm going to run mic >> mono1, and guitar >> amp >> mono2 and then out to the breakout box for the delta 44 - correct? And this is going to sound stupid, but what would I be using the stereo inputs for?
Thanks for all of the help you guys have been so far. I've learned way more reading the forum in the past few weeks that I learned researching on my own in the past 3 months...
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Sep 29, 2005 11:51 am Well, when going IN to the card it's often more beneficial to look at the stereo inputs as two mono inputs. If you are recording guitar and voice at the same time, you'd be best of panning one hard left and one hard right, then recording them each to different tracks in your application. After recorded, then use the software to pan the recorded mono tracks whereever you want in the stereo image.
Sep 29, 2005 12:00 pm so is it correct to run the guitar to my amp and the amp to one of the mono inputs, or would it need to go to a stereo input?
Sep 29, 2005 12:03 pm Well, depending on your amp, it would be better to mic your amp and send the mic to the mixer...if you run an amp direct to the mixer it can sound lame if you don't have some sort of amp modelling unit like the Line 6 POD or Behringer Vamp or somethin...
If you decide to run direct anyway, just be sure to NOT run a speaker out into the mixer, only a line out. <-- very important
Sep 29, 2005 12:16 pm it's a the line 6 212 amp, and i'm switching to the v-amp probably next month. i was planning on running straight from the line out into the mono input on the mixer, but if mic'ing the amp and running that would get a better sound, then i'd be all for it...
Sep 29, 2005 12:19 pm which 212? Is it one that has any of the Line 6 modelling features in it? Cuz if it does it'd be silly to go to a Vamp, as Line 6 has FAR superior modelling to Behringer...
Sep 29, 2005 12:50 pm right now i'm using:
service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
but will be moving to the V-Ampire LX1200H w/ a 4x12 cabinet for live shows and thought i might record through that. but if the line 6 has better modelling, then i may keep it around just for recording...
Sep 29, 2005 12:54 pm Yeah, that amp you have is a good choice for recording direct (assuming it has direct outs), unless, maybe you can sell it and get a POD with the money and use the POD, or even a GuitarPort, I really like those little units too for direct recording...
So 150 watts with 2x12's ain't enough for ya...yep, I've played with guitarists like you... :-p
Sep 29, 2005 01:03 pm i originally bought it because i assumed it would be enough, but for whatever reason i can never seem to get close to the drums, bass, and vocals. there's a local band here in dallas - maltoro - and he plays the behringer rig that i'm looking at and said that since he switched he's had no problems...i can mic it at shows but for just house parties and rehearsals it was becoming an issue...
Sep 29, 2005 01:09 pm OK, well, you haven't filled your profile out so I don't know much about you (age, experience, etc.), but, let me ask some questions or toss some ideas out (not that it'll help, but I'm just nosey).
How is the amp positioned? Is it on the floor or up on a stand or table? Have you instead tried to get an extension amp or cabinet?
Sometimes in practice, due to the distance it takes sound to actually fully develop, myself and a guitarist would put amps on opposite sides of the room, like my bass amp by him facing me, and his guitar amp by me facing him and the bass was actually louder to me because the speaker had the necessary distance from my ears to fully develop.
Failing that, if on the floor, lean it at an angle facing up toward you, or, put it up on a table closer to head height...it might also help...some people face it backwards into a corner of the room, it's worked at times...
Or, mic it and boost it a little bit through wherever the vocals are being amped...if it's a decent monitoring system, a little tiny boost could make a huge difference.
Just food for thought.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 29, 2005 08:38 pm I dont understand what you mean by get close enough. Do you mean volume wise? The Line 6 Spider is a 150 watt 2 x 12 amp. That should be more then enough to blow windows out. I have played through a Spider and it shook the windows of the store I was in.
Are you micing the amp for the live show's? Or should I ask, just how loud are the other guys playing?
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Sep 29, 2005 11:35 pm What'd ya say?... can't hear ya...
I used to have a 200w stack. Never could go above 4 before the cops came. Waste of money. Couldn't make it sound good until around 5 or so... Sad, sad story...
Anyway, we used to practically sit in the drum kit with the drummer (we were a close band) (or was that "closet"?), and used to just think we (the guitars) weren't loud enough, so off we'd go to crank it. In the meantime, the drummer would think we were too loud, so he'd hit harder... The poor bass player only had a 60w head, blew his speakers trying to keep up... Like I said, sad story.
Sep 30, 2005 06:51 am >> Sometimes in practice, due to the distance it takes sound to actually fully develop, myself and a guitarist would put amps on opposite sides of the room.
I may give this a shot next practice and see how it works. I was looking at the behringer w/ the 4x12 cab because frankly i've always been more of a brute force problem solver... :P
I played from 90-94 pretty solidly, took off 10 years to get married and then divorced from someone who was not a fan of music in general, and am now trying to hop back in and do it a little smarter this time. back in the day, it was all pawn shop guitars into a seconhand amp, crank it as loud as you can manage and run with it. so, not to sound like a neanderthal idiot, I never really gave much thought amp positioning and the like...if i couldn't hear it, then turn it up or get a bigger amp...hehe...
as far as the line 6 amps, have any of you played on them and had any issues w/ them sounding "mushy" - best phrase I can think of - when they get to higher volumes? Down around 1 or 2 when i'm playing I love the sound, but it seems like the louder it gets, the more crispness I lose on the sound.
And by the way - thanks for all the help guys. I feel like i'm jumping leaps and bounds here on the forums just because the questions you guys ask when answering mine are really forcing me to think about my playing and equipment in a completely different way than i've had to do before.
Sep 30, 2005 06:59 am >>Are you micing the amp for the live show's? Or should I ask, just how loud are the other guys playing?
For the few live shows we've done so far, they've mic'ed the amp, but for things like house parties and such, it's just plug in and crank it.
As far as volume, it's me w/ the 150w line 6, bass player w/ a 100w no-name amp, and the singer through his PA - not sure of the wattage on that, and occasionally a second guitarist through a crate stack - although that's pretty rare.
