Hmmmmm, how to control terrorism...

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OK, we have had a few political and religious talks here lately that have been quite civil, as I have been testing the waters...maybe we can reintroduce this type of thing if it remains civil...let's try.

A couple of other threads recently got me thinkin'...and I was talking to my M.M.A. instructor last night about it to whilst conditioning...and he's REALLY far right...makes me look liberal.

Now, 9/11 happened, OK, learned any lessons? Not really...London just got bombed, learned anything? Appears not as Blair is more concerned with the hate crimes resulting from it...

My local airport was evacuated last night from a false-positive sniff from a bomb-dog...

OK, what do we do?

It seems, at least as of late, the terrorists are all coming from Muslim communities/countries/backgrounds... (save your "Such is a terrorist" for later please, hear me out) yet, in America at least, it is now illegal to "profile", in other words, even though we have this pattern, it's illegal to use it to look more critically at Muslims over anyone else cuz that's "profiling".

Now, I disagree with establishing anything that makes someone "prove their innocense" and like the "prove them guilty"...it's the only right way to do it...but, where can we meet in the middle...the last thing we need is another witch hunt...

My proposal is for countries to take back their troops and use them to protect their own borders and more closely control people coming back and forth in and out of countries...but eh, I don't travel much, so it wouldn't affect me, others it would...

What do we do?

discuss...

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Hello!
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Since: Jan 12, 2004


Jul 14, 2005 01:59 pm

I agree wi ye - sort yer ain house first.

Get back all troops to their own places and control yer own country (to all countries).

Fortify yer place and make sure nothing and no-one undesirable or unwanted can operate.

If caught, public execution is the easiest and cheapest way to deal with the terrorist scum. That is a good detterent and a good way to resolve security issues around holding these swines after they are proven guilty.

So, this sends a clear message. Terrorise us and we shoot you dead. ENDOF.

Extreme ? YEs...needed - YES. Then, terrorists are terrorised.

Coco.

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Jul 14, 2005 02:09 pm

i agree with your proposal deebs, let the rest of the world take care of itself, ofcourse that's pretty easy for me to think like that over here in the states...but other countries might be worse off, and to further the problem, it might make some mid-east countries a 'haven' for terrorists.

but if we go that route, we might be in troubble because alotta people will flee these countries and come into our own and our allies, and along with them will be 'sleepers'.

so i donno if that's such a good idea now that i think about it....what exactly makes people like us so offensive to people like ben-ladden? i'm guessing it's our materialistic obcessions, and our forign policy that has most of 'em enraged...

we used to consider Afganistan (sp?) to be on our side against russia, so we brought in money, and guns, and trained them to kill soviets. i can see how this can lead to extreme distrust because my father used to 'train' me and my kid brother to tell on eachother when we were young.

capitolism breeds manipulation just as much as anyother form of economy....the whole theory of checks and balances of power is a crock of ****, granted a nice smelling one...but i still think it's a false dream. people in places of high power will always skew things and manipulate to their (and their friends) advantages.

to me this brings out the worst in human nature, thinks like "don't trust anyone" or "screw them before they screw me" and "dog eat dog" sink way into our subconcious, for example my parents doubble lock every door in the house when they are home, now we're not in the ghetto here but our street compromises of alott of kids my age (mid 20's) so there's always bass systems thumping and people hangin' out on the porches.....my parents are scared shitless of our neighbors....now take my friend two doors down he leaves his keys in his truck 24/7 and never locks the doors, even when he's not home. i can go in there anytime if i wanted.

what's the difference in these mentalitys? fear.
my dad is so scared of what others might do to him/his family/and his property that he now carries a gun on him, we have five large dogs a 6 foot wood fence around our back yard and flood lights on EVERY corner of our house...it feels like a ******' prison here.

i blame this mentality on our american culture, expically the culture of the 1940's and 50's. **** i got way sidetracked, lemme go to lunch and i'll finish up....lol

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Jul 14, 2005 02:18 pm

You are right WYD, nobody can completely ignore the outside world and it's happenings, however, your theory about people coming here or other places isn't necessarily true, that is precisely what our troops being back home could do, turn away immigration...people that we don't want, need or have room for...

Your view of capitalism I think you have half right. It does breed greed and paranioa to an extent, but with it, what do you have? Not much...Capitalism is also the best way to promote advancement and progress that would otherwise not occure at nearly the pace it does were it not for the possibility of reward of achievement. "For the good of the whole" mentality is what communism played on (well, that and threats) and it just does not produce the results that personal reward does.

Bin Laden and other extremists hate us because we are free and not Muslim (or that is how I see it), but then, who can know why they really do...odds are, I am betting many of them don't even know why...just raised that way.

Prince CZAR-ming
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Jul 14, 2005 02:51 pm

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I am betting many of them don't even know why...just raised that way.


This was the case of the N. Korean kids interviewed for the special I saw. They were totally brainwashed into thinking the USA is chock full of evil manipulating bastards, ready to nuke and take over the country any chance we get. Hell, what would we want with N. Korea. It's the size of Mississippi, and we already got one of those.

Anyway, as far as what to do / what will happen, i'm inclined to think that social evolution is already showing us what will happen. The US is full of opportunities for harm, there's loads of developing bad attitudes around the world, and lots of big deep pockets prepared to push them onward. And this isn't even bringing into consideration the harms that this country harbors and raises on it's own. I'm speaking of the 'remove personal rights' people, and those wanting to make the US a socialist nation, basically trying to remove the word 'Republic' and watering down the constitution. I fear it's going to get worse before it gets better. I'm also in fear that it will take a pretty big event to shake the world into a type of 'ginger martial law', if you get my meaning.

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Jul 14, 2005 08:41 pm

I don't know if we Canadians are capable of controlling our border. It seems to me that as long as US troops occupy "anywhere" then our Canadian borders are at risk, even if the final destination for terror is the US. This to me is a big problem as we are not included in the US electorial system (understandably) but we must live by the decisions of the US government(in this regard).

These last bombers came from within the London area. The internet allows for global communications, independant of borders. #1 rule (in my games anyway) is take out communications. Why aren't there blacklisted countries when it comes to the internet. Protecting "virtual" borders is just as important. I'm sure that a simple "internet license" issued by the hosting countries would at least reduce terrorism a bit.


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Jul 14, 2005 09:46 pm

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Bin Laden and other extremists hate us because we are free and not Muslim (or that is how I see it).


thats part of it, i think in the case of bin laden it was more about

1. supporting Saudi Arabi and having troops there(pre 9-11)

2. supporting israel(to a lesser extent)

lets get those troops home tighten up security, work on advancing hybrid/alternative fuel vehicles (or that car that runs on water ) and let them be over there, i really think thats what they want.







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Jul 14, 2005 09:57 pm

I don't know much about politics, and to be honest I am a very idealistic person. That said, here is my idealistic approach to solving the problem.

First off, an analogy sort of: Lets say you're sitting in traffic and the guy behind you keeps honking, even though theres nowhere to go. We've all been there more than likely. Now, most people most of the time would just get annyoed or even pissed off at the guy behind them hoking, thinking "where exactly does he want me to go" and blow him off. However, what if that person was to think along the lines of "He is trying to call my attention to something that he sees and I don't, what is he trying to show me" Sure, may be an idiot behind you just honking, but there is a chance you will learn something from it if you're open to that possibility.

The same stance can be taken with terrorism. Sure, they're blowing up buildings and killing people, and I'm not saying that is right at all... but what if we actually tried to understand the terrorists point of view and why they're doing it? Maybe they could point us to something that can be improved. And what if the terrorists could understand our way of living? Maybe then they wouldn't blow us up.

The thing is we live in a world full of Profiling, while it may not be legal it sure as hell happens. Lets be honest, we're all (or most of us at least) a little bit racist. That's fine... we're conditioned to be, just like in Brave New World. But I think if people would just get it out of their head that thier lifestyle, their beliefs are the only RIGHT beliefs and learned to understand each other better the world would be a better place.

I know I sound like a hippy kid and that's fine, but I honestly think that the reason the world is going to pot right now is because people just don't take the time to get to know or understand anyone anymore, everyone is just so sure that their way of life is right and every other way is wrong that they're willing to do to anything to eliminate the evil.

We think fanatic Muslims are evil
we think we are right
We think that by ridding the world of the evil terrorists we're making it a better place

They think that America is evil
They think they are right
They think that by destroying us they will make the world a better place.

And all this boils down to a lack of understanding from both parties.

I'm not taking sides, not going to get into that here, but I mean it's rediculous. People killing people is rediculous, no matter what the reasons.

If everyone just took the time to try and understand the things they don't I don't think we'd see so many problems.

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Jul 14, 2005 10:19 pm

Yeah, that's idealistic and completely unrealistic...in order two have two way dialog, both sides have to want to...they don't want to talk, they don't want to learn and they are not afraid of death or killing...makes the idealistic approach, while admireable, virtually impossible.

Cone Poker
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Jul 14, 2005 10:37 pm

Yeah, I just don't have any real answers here. I wish I did.

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Jul 15, 2005 02:50 am

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Hell, what would we want with N. Korea. It's the size of Mississippi, and we already got one of those.


Dying laughing.

Um, ok, seriously though, I used to be like Loki, completely idealist, and I still hold on to that as much as possible, but it's true, as you get older, you become more of a pragmatist...

Anyways, I agree with Loki, that we need to at least attempt to see where terrorist are coming from. Not agree, but try to see their point. I personally think for us to say "they hate our freedom" is completely ego-maniacal, and just some **** we made up to make ourselves feel good. I think more likely the root cause goes something like this. Religious extremists (in this case middle eastern Muslims) want to impose their values on their society. But they can't do that in places like Saudi Arabia, because it is ruled by a very autocratic regime; a regime heavily supported by American money. Now the extremists connect the dots, and strike out at us for supporting the Saudi regime. Then, we got ourselves all embroiled in Iraq, in a way that can easily be seen as the US invading as an occupying power (whether you believe this or not, some people do, and I would wager many middle easterners do). So, now more people are upset at us, and many people are easily connived into acting as terrorists. Plus, my newest idea is that most people (American and otherwise) are generally stupid, and that they can be easily manipulated by those who know how to do it, which is what I believe happened with the London bombings.

So, what can we do, using now as point zero (the starting point). Well, I don't want to cry over spilt milk (Iraq, and a million other Bush stupidities), so I think the best thing to do to deter terrorism is going to be a long term project. And it entails helping to create a middle east that is not beset by poverty. I think if we can help economically, and help to educate, you will end up with societies that are more open to different ideas, and less likely to see suicide as a viable option. Militarily we need to step away from such heavy handed tactics, and use smaller, isolated strikes when we find people who are trying to hurt us.

On a side note, I find it odd that we would call for public execution. That is what they do in Saudi Arabia, and for my social senses, it is a bit much. However, I still stand by my original idea that Iraq has been an area that for thousands of years has been ruled and taken over by one king/despot after another. I think it may be ingrained in their culuture that they don't know how to behave unless there is an extreme threat of violence or death for doing anything even remotely wrong. Basically, you won't have a decent society unless someone like Saddam Hussein is running things. You know, the old saying, give an inch, and people want to take a foot.

Also, I can never except that profiling (racially or ethnically), from a societal standpoint is an accepted thing to do. This is the sort of thing that makes me fuming mad and makes me want to physically fight someone.

I'm sure I missed something in here, but anywhoo, that's kind of my thumbnail view on things. Meanwhile I'm listening to this political talkshow guy (www.kgoam810.com/showdj.asp?DJID=3284) and he's saying we should beware of all religious extremists, not just muslim extremists, and I couldn't agree more. If you want to listen to him, click on the Archive link and he's on from 10pm-1am. I think most of you won't agree with him, but sometimes it's good to hear opposing points of view, no?

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Jul 15, 2005 03:34 am

i have not read the whole thread but my opinion is that history tells: war and violence never leads to peace, no matter which reason lead to them.

if i were a leader of the world, i would try to be a paradigm. i would try to help the world, not to rule the world. i would offer the arab world all my oil that i have instead of trying to conquer it.
i would try to accept other religions and thinkings - i would show violent people that we are peacefull - i would try to talk to other religious leaders instead of offending them.

( i just imagine all islamic leaders would say, its a sin what bin laden is doing.....)


and so on and so on :-)

peace on earth for all of you

mark

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Jul 15, 2005 06:34 am

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Yeah, I just don't have any real answers here. I wish I did.


Yeah, well, that sums up pretty much all of us...

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war and violence never leads to peace


Study history, violence has solved multitudes of problems throughout history...sadly...however, haphazzard, unfocused violence leads to more violence and solves nothing, well planned, well-executed violence often has worked to end violence...look at how World War II ended as an example. Drop the big one, everybody pretty much just backed off and said "OK, game over".

People that disagree with the fact that violence has solved MANY problems throughout history do not have an accurate view of it...

On to other issues...

I do agree with Loki and coolo on many levels in theory, but not practicality. It would seem to me what coolo said about educating and helping the country is exactly what the US is trying to do, but they (the minority radicals) don't want us to.

Iraq, in the large picture, I believe is a justified war by any means of measure, at the same time, I do believe it was started because it is justified, but, primarily as a smokescreen. Iraq is diverting attention for the many Special Ops team around the world that have smoked out several Al Queda (and other terrorist groups) training facilities and sleeper cells. Why in need of a smokescreen? Well, thanks to the jackals in the media that now are so well connected and feel the needs to poke their ****** heads in the middle of everything, any distraction is good to keep them at bay, and Iraq is also good for that as it's controvertial. Considering what I have read and heard is that many of our Special Ops teams are going in with know knowledge of the country authorities and such things, keeping it quiet is of paramount importance.

I don't think we should judge Bush until the end, I don't think he (or his cabinet) is nearly the blundering idiots some liberal socialist pinkos (gratuitous naming calling for coolo's benefit :-) try to make him out to be...but it'll be a while before anyone can truly be the judge.

That said, God Bless Freedom, we all have a right to believe as we wish.

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Jul 15, 2005 07:02 am

Aye - ye know, its hard to answer this one categorically.

What ye want to do is a rational solution for irrational problem, often based on ANY religion which ALWAYS causes fuel on the fire.

What I mean is, terrorists, fuelled by religion (warped or not) are harder to convince and even mitigate against DUE to their irrationalisim. They also dont fear death so my point, whilst I read it now, seems a little stupid.

That said, I didnt actually think public execution is the way to go. I dont know the best way to go - I guess I just wanna consider a way to punish the filth in this society known as terrorists.

How do you hurt these bams tho? They dont fear death (cause many perceive themselves as martyrs) they dont often have family other than more terrorists and they dont care about jail so what do you take from them?? Something must scare them..whatever they perceive US as doing we maybe SHOULD do to them as punishment i.e. they see us as taking away this/taht from them, then let us to do it to THEM if caught...its hard.

Anyways, there is no answer. If there were, countless thousands of wars/riots/fights and arguements would never hae happened.

Good debate all the same.

Coco.

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Jul 15, 2005 07:34 am

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What ye want to do is a rational solution for irrational problem


Well put, Coco.

How does anyone really rationalize, understand or negotiate with people that think it's OK, encouraged even, to blow themselves up in the middle of restaurants, shopping malls, business centers and such, killing themselves and all innocent bystanders including children...

How does one "understand" that?

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Jul 15, 2005 08:59 am

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I don't think we should judge Bush until the end, I don't think he (or his cabinet) is nearly the blundering idiots some liberal socialist pinkos (gratuitous naming calling for coolo's benefit :-) try to make him out to be...but it'll be a while before anyone can truly be the judge.


although i dont agree with the iraq war, at least bush jr. tried to set things up afterwards, ill give him credit for that, the problem is the sucess rate going in was really low, i think he felt obligated to try since his daddy just pulled out. In the end there is no winner here, i mean sure saddam is captured and eating doritos in a cell, but i fear there will be another saddam to step up and take his place, unless we stay there till the end of time, the big winner in this war is Corporate america, sad but true. Think about how hard it will be on the next couple of people that get into office because raising taxes/cutting programs are inevitable.

what is Bush's repayment plan? is he raising taxes? thinning government?


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Jul 15, 2005 09:39 am

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the big winner in this war is Corporate america, sad but true


There's lots of people in Iraq that would say they're life is better, and is getting better.

Most people in Iraq didn't want the dictatorship, but could not do anything about it. I'm inclinded to beleive that much more than the majority of the Iraqi people are happier without the tyrannical regime of SH. You don't hear much of it, because it's not the big news items like other events. There's the liberal media picking and choosing what's what.

I'm thinking Geoff could weigh in on how the Iraqi people responded to the US-led presence in Iraq.

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Jul 15, 2005 09:52 am

I'm totally with pjk on that...the media is very much skewing what the popular perception of our presence is...ya know, Don Henley said it best, they love dirty laundry...that's what sells. Hate, violence and fear sells their product, so thats what they spew.

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Jul 15, 2005 09:55 am

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There's lots of people in Iraq that would say they're life is better, and is getting better.


yeah im sure it is better, anythings better than having a dictator who slaughters people, but how can this be sustained?



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Jul 15, 2005 10:02 am

good point, it will not be easy to just 'flip' out an old regime and 'flip' in a new one. we're seeing the results of that. But it takes time, and the first steps are almost always the hardest. With time the Iraqi people will see how things will shake out and work, and will adjust their system accordingly. Hopefully they won't revert back to the ding-dong ways of the past, but who knows. I'm praying for the better.

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Jul 15, 2005 10:03 am

As I see it...

Dismantling the despot regime is step one...
Establishing a gov't is step two...
Training and supporting a new law enforcement and military is step three...

From there, it's very much up to the people wanting it bad enough to keep another from despot from doing it again...

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Jul 15, 2005 10:09 am

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they love dirty laundry...that's what sells. Hate, violence and fear sells their product, so thats what they spew.


True, dB, if they can't sell the commercial spot, then they won't be in business. I'm thinking that only 15% of prime time news can be positive and upbeat. Any more and people will switch to another channel and find something that holds their interest. I can't find fault only with the news media, it's the consumer that selects the channels that feed this vicious circle.

But, it's also the uninformed that listen to the media, neglect to investigate, and make policy decisions based on the media's skewed content. This is a nasty problem as well. One that leads to the social evolution I was speaking of earlier. Small changes and decisions get made, based upon partial fact, then it becomes policy, and then another on top of that, etc, etc.

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Jul 15, 2005 10:12 am

It's unfortunate, because we shouldn't HAVE to investigate and all that...that is the JOB of our media, or the way most people see it...it's indeed a conundrum...

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Jul 15, 2005 10:52 am

i do all my research online, internet rox, i pick and choose what i want to know about and can cross check stories.. i havent watched the news in ages, nothing but poor weather predictions and death.. thanks to al gore for inventing this..

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Jul 15, 2005 10:54 am

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thanks to al gore for inventing this..


it's always a funny joke, it's almost sad he never really said that...as much as I detest Al Gore, that was as unfair as the "read me lips" then raise taxes complaint about Bush Sr...

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Jul 15, 2005 11:18 am

GORE: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.


yeah not a gore fan and its not exactly what he said, but his wife did help create the parental advisory sticker :)

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Jul 15, 2005 11:23 am

He was right insofar as what he said, the Clinton administration did encourage the development and proliferation of the internet, which was a good thing.

I have no problem at all with the parental advisory sticker.

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Jul 15, 2005 12:41 pm

Hmmm, I'm always at a loss when people call the media "liberal". Cuz from my perspective, I swear the media, in general, aside from a few individual voices is decidedly conservative.

Lots of people (Iraqis) would say that things are better in Iraq? Perhaps. I bet an equal ammount would say things are worse. And on top of that, there are tens of thousands who can't say anything cuz they died as unintended targets. With that, I'll stop talking about the validity of the Iraqi war, cuz that's not was asked here.

As for terrorism there was an interesting point made to me the other day. A war on terror is not a winnable battle. It is a perpetual war. However, we can have wars on terrorist organizations like Al Quaeda. At least then, we can know if we are succeeding. Unfortunately stopping terrorism is going to be a long term thing, and I think we are mostly thinking short term (ie. take these guys out and it'll stop). There will always be someone willing to take the place of those we take out unless we are able to stop the underlying issues of what makes people want to commit terrorist acts.

Why do people commit despicable acts of blowing themselves up along with anyone in their vicinity. While I don't know for sure, I can offer my thoughts. First off, think about being completely powerless. Perhaps you don't have a job, and are dead broke with no prospects in sight. Perhaps you see your people and your country in a state of chaos where you can't do anything for fear of being arrested. Perhaps you have no real freedom. At this point, what may be going through a proud individual's head is that in order to show that they control their own fate, and prove to themselves that they hold power over something (their own lives), they decide to commit an act of violence. Though I don't condone this violence, I probably would do something similar if I were in that situation, though I wouldn't be blowing up myself and innocent civilians. You'd probably see me acting as a sniper or something stupid like that. Anyways, I really believe it's all about the powerless trying to show that they still have some power. Cuz you can't go up against a tank with a shank.

For us to say that the war in Iraq was a diversion so that we could go and take out cells with special ops and nobody would be able to tip anybody off.... wow, that's hard to fathom. To me that really sounds like someone searching for a way to validate the Iraqi war after everyone (well, lots of people) comes to the conclusion it wasn't necessary.

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Jul 15, 2005 12:58 pm

Well, you got my thoughts half right, I would never say the Iraqi war isn't necessary, it surely was, but unlike what we are hearing about and seeing on local news, I don't think it's the only thing going on. Perhaps "smokescreen" wasn't really the best choice of words on my part, but ya gotta admit, it surely works at getting peoples focus, and perhaps loosing focus in other places. I don't really need to search for a way to validate the Iraqi war, I think it's a perfectly valid war as it is...the problem I have with the war is the infighting among politicians, self interest around re-election time and other situations like that which have prevented the troops from fighting the war, instead just pussy-footing around in there...

You are right about the war on terrorism as I see it, it's not any more winnable than the war on drugs, stopping racism, stopping gay bashing or anything like that...however, that doesn't mean an effort shouldn't be made. It's one thing fighting small rag-tag terrorist groups and militias, it's entirely another fighting something that is as wide-scale of an organization as Al Queda...

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Jul 15, 2005 01:33 pm

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I have no problem at all with the parental advisory sticker.


well i dont need a parental advisory sticker to tell me what my kids shouldnt listen to, that comes down to common sense/awareness on your own part, which tipper obviously really didnt have! IMO the sticker had the exact opposite effect of what it was intended to do anyways.


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Jul 15, 2005 01:37 pm

Not all parents can know everything and everything when it comes to pop culture entertianment and such...while it hasn't done what it was aimed to, I do think it had the right intentions and was an admirable effort. Personally, I wouldn't feel bad seeing it pushed a step farther and needing to be 18 to buy some stuff...that'll never happen, I certainly won't go out and fight for it, but I wouldn't fight against it either.

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Jul 15, 2005 01:45 pm

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well i dont need a parental advisory sticker to tell me what my kids shouldnt listen to


I do, what do I know about stuff I haven't seen before. When we go to the video store and we're picking movies, I always use this as a guide to whether we can watch it as a family or if my wife and I have to watch it by ourselves.

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Jul 15, 2005 01:46 pm

my point exactly...

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Jul 15, 2005 03:10 pm

I used to have a parental avisory t-shirt that mocked it (Imagne the usual logo):

PARENTAL ADVISORY

EXPLICIT *******

LYRICS

:-) ! Ah, to be a young (foolish) rebel without a heid!

Still, I thought I wis cool at the time, now I realise, I was a silly kid!

Coco.

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Jul 15, 2005 03:12 pm

Anyway, my point I forgot was - its almost impossible to fight and beat the irrational.

Only by containment and limitation can you hope to win. By wearing them down, taking ALL their resources and I mean ALL (money strikes me as the first main one - no cash = no guns, ammo, bombs, plane tickets, visas, anything)...I guess, if ye cut off their supply, they aint gonna do anything.

That, is the best wayt to proceed I thinks, havin thought aboot it a bit. Otherwise, ye are fighting a losing battle so ... dont fight it. Just dont let THEM fight it either...take it all away, then, they have no power.

EASIER said than done, but alas, surely all one can hope for.

Coco.

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Jul 15, 2005 03:31 pm

remember when they were really strict about the sticker? i got carded while trying to buy guns and roses - appetite for destruction, and couldnt buy it, so i had a friend buy it for me lol i was 17 at the time..

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Jul 15, 2005 03:34 pm

no, I don't remember that...

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Jul 15, 2005 03:45 pm

It was on every GNR album I ever bought and I bought em all when I was 14 !! hehehhe....sweet.

Coco.

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Jul 16, 2005 01:00 am

My soltions:

Elimiate artificial nations like iraq... break it up into Kurdistan, Sunniland, and Shiitica. nations can't exist without a common culture.

Reconstruct infrastructure, commerce, and social institutions.

Annialate "hot spots": if a town is prone to supporting our enemy then the population should be resettled.

damaged buildings should be repaired or bulldozed

Internees should regularly pick up roadside litter as most IED's (that arn't buried) are desguised as litter.


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Jul 16, 2005 12:54 pm

completion date 2025

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Since: May 15, 2004


Jul 16, 2005 04:50 pm

Still wont change a thing...

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