Jul 10, 2005 02:22 pm Yeah, Hurricane Season is here again...pretty strong, but last year's was MUCH worse...so far...
All the best to ye...
Posted on Jul 10, 2005 02:08 pm
cocofromscotland
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Member Since: Jan 12, 2004
I spied this on the Sky News Website:
www.sky.com/skynews/artic...3383928,00.html
Hope ye are all fine over there...looks nasty.
Cheers
Coco.
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Jul 10, 2005 02:22 pm Yeah, Hurricane Season is here again...pretty strong, but last year's was MUCH worse...so far...
Jul 10, 2005 08:00 pm When Alicia hit my neighborhood was flooded for weeks, and it took them almost a year and a half solid to drain downtown
Jul 10, 2005 09:26 pm Yeah, I'm about an 10 hour drive north of Florida but I imagine we will feel the storms from it in the next couple of days. Like dB said, it was HORRIBLE last year. The hurricane that came through North Carolina (can't remember the name) destroyed my Grandparents million dollar home they had. The flooding caused a gas tank to plow through a window and gas contaminated the whole house. House Insurance only paid $125,000 because that was what they covered for "flooding". Guess you have to get wind and flood coverage for actual "Hurricane Coverage" and then Insurance companies will still find a way to screw you. There is an area below the hotest area downstairs some of these people are going I tell ya.
Jul 11, 2005 02:44 am people say i'm heartless. but i confess. im one of those people who, while appreciating the tragedy that hurricanes bring, would choose to ride it out and not evacuate. yeah they suck. the infrastructure damage, loss of life, etc. the power failures. but there is something awesome about them. charley last year was a sight to behold. i wish people could just survive them.
this is the earliest these things have formed in a long time. hurricane season just got started. makes me wonder whats going on. there seem to be new depressions all the time out in the atlantic, even now.
Jul 11, 2005 11:27 am it's here in tennessee right now as i type...30mph winds and constant rain...just hit us last night....i dig big storms they make me sleep well, i moved outta florida one month before they all hit last year ยง=o( i always wanted to go to a hurricane party on the beach.
Jul 11, 2005 12:13 pm Honestly, I believe that the reason we seem to be seeing more and more hurricanes each year, and will probably continue to see more hurricanes is due to global warming. Hurricanes gather their energy from warm water in the ocean, and if the water is steadily going up in temperature, logically (to me anyways) we would expect to see more hurricanes, and more powerful hurricanes. Now, I'm not trying to get into the cause of global warming which could easily turn political in nature. Also, this is just my theory, never heard anyone else spew it before, but it seems to make sense...
For all who have to suffer through them, please be safe!
Jul 11, 2005 11:10 pm that is the reason there are more, one of the reasons anyway--the water is warmer by 2 degrees on average in the tropics.
attributible to global warming? unknown. global warming is wack. it can cause cooling in certain places, ironically. for example, that movie 'the day after tomorrow' played loose with the facts in a lot of major ways, but the one thing they got right was that if a lot of ice melts, the thermohaline circulation in the atlantic can change, plunging the UK into much cooler temps.
im not sure what the reason is that the water has been warmer recently, but i feel uncomfortable blaming global warming for it. there are natural cycles to this stuff as well.
Jul 12, 2005 07:10 am Global warming would cause more water to be around in general due to the increase in global heat (which melts the ice peaks) and also, heats up the water slightly!!
Shifts in underground plates also cause wierd stuff but aye, the Global warming theory goes a long way in ma book. Put it this way, in this coutnry, we NEVER seen a sunny summer...now we get them and yesterday it was 86 degrees!!!!!!!!!
That happened recently...more and more we get extremes and this is caused by global warming..colder winters and warmer summers (sometimes)..its all bad.
:-(
Coco.
Jul 12, 2005 07:26 am Global warming does wash with me personally. I know it's there, I know it happens, but I think for too much is blamed on it...weather patterns are common...hell, I live in Minnesota and the past 3 or 4 winters have been LAME, little snow, little cold, very uncharacteristic...but it's in a lull pattern, we'll get our again, just like Coco will get his sunless, lame summers again...it's eb and flow of the seasons and weather...
The power of shifts in underground plates was demonstrated this year quite effectively by what happened with the tsunami...personally, that kind of stuff I attribute more to other things...man has spent the last few decades and more pulling resources from the earth, oil, tacanite, gold, precious gems, etc...common sense would say to me after so long of doing that something has to give, pressure is relieved by the earth moving around to get itself comfortable...enter plate shift...
Nothing is caused by any one thing...it's a culmination as I see it...the mining I mentioned above, pollution, leveling trees and rainforests, over-development, overpopulation, etc...it all adds up to an ecosystem and it's inhabitants (human and otherwise) being under constant stress...therein lies the problem...stress.
Jul 12, 2005 12:04 pm Quote:
im not sure what the reason is that the water has been warmer recently, but i feel uncomfortable blaming global warming for it. there are natural cycles to this stuff as well.
Global warming can in fact be due to a natural cycle. Or it could due to man's influence, or both. Regardless, I'm under the impression, that the average earth's temperature is going up, slowly but surely (I don't have any documents, just what I seem to be hearing).
Jul 12, 2005 12:22 pm Global warming (natural or otherwise) is having a hell of an impact on our forestry industry here in British Columbia. In our northern regions, beetle infestation is killing trees in a big way. This is getting out of control because the winters are just not cold enough to kill the beetles off anymore. Over 1/3 of the harvest is now infected. This is a huge problem. It simply just doesn't get cold enough in the winter anymore.
Jul 12, 2005 01:27 pm mining and plates? plate shifts just happen. since the dawn of time there have been earthquakes.
i dont know the effect of human-produced co2 on the earth. a few years ago i got charmed by a sunspot theory of global warming because it explained more, more episodes throughout history. ice ages and warm spells, all going back to cloud cover.
clouds reflect light. theyre the single most important factor when it comes to ocean temps. i would like to know if the tropics had a clear spring, cloudwise, compared to past years.
Jul 12, 2005 01:31 pm Yes, they have happened, but nobody can honestly say water being warmer by 2 degrees can affect the earth (not that you said that, you just brought it up) and not at least consider the possiblity that constantly removing mass from the earth for hundreds of years in mass quantity can't affect it's stability...
Jul 12, 2005 04:16 pm the meteorologists say that the 2 degree warmer ocean temperatures are the direct cause of increased hurricane frequency.
i do not believe that mining impacts plate tectonics in any appreciable way, though. the plates slide around based on whats happening beneath them in the mantle--we can't reach down there with the best mining equipment in the world.
Jul 12, 2005 04:23 pm Meteorologists also said it would rain today...
That said, my mining theory is not supported by anything really, it just kind of occured to me while watching discovery channel one day, to me it's just common sense...when you remove mass from something, that something changes density, shape, structure and stability...basic laws of nature...I realize not many people believe it, but I dunno, it makes pretty good sense.
Jul 12, 2005 04:28 pm I see exactly what yer saying man, and it makes sense and probably has impact somewher along the lines.
Its just like where I live my man. This used to be all mines underground (limestone). Over the years, many tonnes of lime has been removed thus meaning all these houses are build on old mines (well underground of course).
POint is - its bloody hollow in parts and since some wideo has put big bloody houses and flats on it, recently, it caved in. Basic physics as ye say - nothing underneath means it collapes over time...so aye, yer theory is good.
Coco.
Jul 12, 2005 04:43 pm how many more walmarts, home depot's,lowe's and strip malls in general do we need!! its getting pretty lame here in the raleigh area.
you see a massive chunk of land with a lowes on it a big parking lot and plenty of open space, then your ride thru a new subdivision and the lots are 1/8th of an acre.?!? the house's are placed an arm's reach away and its partially my fault i work in a civil engineering firm.
Jul 12, 2005 11:03 pm "Meteorologists also said it would rain today..."
that's an example of predicting the behavior of a chaotic system. deterministic science cannot do that--this is why no one can with certainty what the weather is going to do and where and when. can't be done to any great degree of accuracy because chaotic systems are not forecastable in that way. what deterministic science can do, though, is to spot general laws operating within such systems. meteorology is well grounded on the ocean temperature thing. convection, which powers the hurricanes, is accelerated when the water is warmer. there is greater heat energry transfer from the ocean to the atmopsphere, and it's not a subtle thing. a few degrees makes all the difference.
i feel tempted to agree with your mining theory, but that mining would have to be happening ON the fault lines, in order to persuade formerly locked plates to start sliding past each other. theyre only prevented from sliding along on the magma from the pressure at thier edges.
Jul 12, 2005 11:05 pm there seem to be two more lined up in the atlantic right now...emily is going hurricane strength in 24-48 hours, and there's another disturbance right behind it!
Jul 12, 2005 11:15 pm Quote:
but that mining would have to be happening ON the fault lines
not at all...areas of high pressure gradually shift and move toward areas of low pressure...places around the newly empty, or lo pressure places fill it in, creating a wider range of lower presure areas which are filled by the areas around it creating a wider range...etc...
It sounds wacky, I know, you're not the first to tell me it's BS, but think about it...it's not that far out there...basic laws of nature...
Jul 13, 2005 02:23 am i dont know what youre saying...rocks dont work that way. canyons do not fill in. they persist for millions of years, because the crust does not flow like water.
Jul 13, 2005 06:19 am Anything can move given proper pressure levels around it...if it didn't we wouldn't have earthquakes, landslides, sinkholes and such...it just needs right conditions and the proper amount of time...
However, I am not going to waste a lot of time on talking about it...either way, it won't help me get a better sound from my guitar ;-)
Jul 13, 2005 10:19 pm yes it will help your guitar.
ok, final statement. i vehemently disagree with your mining idea. i must stick up for the crust of the earth and its guiding principles.
fortymile
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Jul 13, 2005 11:04 pm ok, turns out you may be part right. but maybe i am too. heres the type of earthquakes mining can produce:
www.google.com/search?q=m...p;hl=en&lr=
if youre talking about what most people call earthquakes, though, youre talking about something like the north american plate sliding past the pacific plate. i was just saying that if you were blowing **** up along the faultlines, you might release enough pressure to cause the plates to slip, but that mining in the center of the plates would have no effect on the fault itself. for that to happen, you would have to, say, dig a mine east of los angeles, and then watch as the crust between LA and the mine somehow extruded itself into the mine, thereby freeing up pressure along the fault at LA. this would be easily observed. this type of thing has never been observed. possibly vibrations from mining could do it, though.
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