ESI Juli@ question

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just a good guesser
Member Since: Oct 04, 2004

i'll be recieving my new soundcard in the mail tomorrow. before i go installing it i have a question to anyone who may have this card (cough..dB..cough) knowing that the card comes with swapable TRS balanced and RCA unbalanced inputs, i'm thinking about using the TRS. the card also has the channels 1/2 for input and 3/4 for output. my mixer has a left/right main output set up. are the 1/2 channels on the card left/right or two separate channels all together, both capable of stereo/mono. also does this same idea apply to the 3/4 out puts, such as 3 being a separate channel and 4 being a separate channel each capapble of stereo? it's a wordy question.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 22, 2005 02:31 pm

well, it stereo setup, left and right are two seperate channels...but, yes, inputs one and two can be used as two mono inputs or one stereo pair, same with outs...

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Jun 22, 2005 02:53 pm

i just want to make sure i understand. let's say listening to a song that's stereo and i have my headphones plugged into channel 3 of the sound card using the TRS output, will i hear the stereo mix or will i just hear only the left channel (or just the right channel).

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jun 22, 2005 04:02 pm

only one channel. left and right are seperate channels that the hardware / software / etc. can blend together to make a stereo pair.

output 3 will only have two conductors, tip and sleeve. same with output 4. each will send signal on the tip and have ground living on the sleeve. Stereo signal has to have two signal paths, and at least one ground. This is how you get stereo from TRS, which is tip, ring, sleeve.

so if you plug a TRS into output 3, you'll only connect the TRS at the tip and sleeve, not the ring. Also the same for the output 4, only the T & S will connect to anything.

Of course if your outputs are balanced, then they would connect to something, but not a stereo pair. they'd connect to the two signals of a single output signal (balanced takes two).

hth

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 22, 2005 04:19 pm

Well, pjk is half right. Output three and output four would be only one mono signal each. However, on the Juli@ the ins andouts both have three conductors, as they are balanced. Output three is left and output four is right (or the other way around, whatever...)

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Jun 22, 2005 05:10 pm

the reason why i ask this is because right now i plug my guitar into my mixer's left input channel. then out from my mixer's left main out to my soundcard's in. i record that mono signal onto both left and right on my pc. then i come back out of my sound card with a 'Y' adapter (stereo to RCA left/right) back into my mixer's tape in. then out of my mixer's control room outputs left and right to each of my monitors. this way i hear the whole mix but only the guitar get's recorded. on my current soundcard there is only 1 input channel and 1 output channel. with the juli@ there are 2 ins and 2 outs, i'm just curious if this is gonna screw up my set up. i'm sorry if i'm being a pain, i don't mean to be.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 22, 2005 05:26 pm

Plug you guitar into one of the mono channels then just chose in your software what input to record from, in 1, in 2 or stereo with the both of them...

When I had the 802 I setup my rig completely different... www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=110

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Jun 22, 2005 05:39 pm

yeah i just took a look at how you had it set up. not only do i record my guitar i have vocalist that uses headphones in another room (isolation booth.. haha) when she records. while she's singing i'm in the control room (bedroom). she hears through the headphones and i hear through the monitors. her headphones plug into the headphone output of the mixer while my monitors are plugged into the control room outs. the set up that i have now was the only way i could get it so that she could hear through the head phones and i could hear through the monitors at the same time using just my mixer and soundcard.

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Jun 22, 2005 05:40 pm

i really appreciate all the help and advice from this website. thanks

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Jun 22, 2005 05:43 pm

I used a headphone amp in between the soundcard and amp, so the outputs go to the headphone amp input, output from that go to the amp/speakers. It works great. If the headphone amp is off the signal just goes straight thru to the monitors...if it's one it has a few headphone plugs, each with their own volume, plus it then goes to the amp/speakers.

May wanna look into something like that sometime.

just a good guesser
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Jun 22, 2005 05:51 pm

wow.. i never even thought of that. i had it in my mind that the distribution of sound should be done with a mixer. can you recomend an amp and headphone amp. i don't need anything fancy for i am a 1 man band with a vocalist.

I am not a crook's head
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Jun 22, 2005 05:54 pm

ART and Behringer both make cheap headphone amps, less than $50.

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Jun 22, 2005 06:04 pm

cool, i'll definately look into it.

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Jun 22, 2005 09:40 pm

There are a few listed here www.homerecordingconnecti...st&cat_id=2

I use an old Samson myself, and it's awesome.

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Jun 22, 2005 10:30 pm

correct me if i'm wrong, if my mixer's main output is unbalanced TS then having a balanced TRS on the soundcard's input is pointless in a sence. i'm gonna take a wild guess and say that if any part of the "chain" is unbalanced the whole "chain" will be unbalanced regardless if there's balanced components. my soundcard is balanced, my monitors are active and balanced, but my mixer has unbalanced TS outputs.

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Jun 22, 2005 10:37 pm

thats a good wild guess...the chain is as strong as it's weakest link.

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Jun 23, 2005 08:14 am

now i have a DI box made by the same ppl who made my mixer, behringer. i mainly bought it so that i could plug my guitar into it and then from the DI box into my mixer. instead, could i run my line out from my mixers main into my DI box, then from that into my sound card. thus creating a balanced chain. the thing is i think the longest chord that i'm using is 6 feet long. i get white noise right now, i wouldn't call it a hum. i think the distance is short enough that i should be ok running unbalanced. what are your thoughts on that? any suggestions?

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Jun 23, 2005 09:01 am

With the mixer you have right now you will never have a balanced chain cuz the outputs of the mixer are unbalanced.

My thoughts are not to put a lot of concern on balancing or not. It's good ito do if you can, but not the first thing you should be concerned about. I have never had a balanced chain myself...

just a good guesser
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Jun 23, 2005 09:14 am

oh, it's just that i've read all over that the professional studios use balanced lines. i figured that to get a more professional sound, i'd try to mimic what "professional" is as much as possible.

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Jun 23, 2005 09:17 am

OK, well, then go spend $100,000 on a ProTools HD system too...

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Jun 23, 2005 09:31 am

i get your point.

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Jun 23, 2005 12:56 pm

well i just recieved the soundcard in the mail. i'm currently at work which totally bites because i want to get home and install it. now my day is going to take forever to end.

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