couple more network questions

Posted on

Member Since: Jan 18, 2003

hey guys i am still having that problem with my new network, and it's led to some other questions. if someone helps me out, i will buy you a thing of my choosing.

the main question i am trying to answer, and i cant seem to find any info about it on the net, is why the new remote computer on the network does not show up on the network when ya check or search for it from the main computer. i am able to be on that computer and get files out of the main computer, but i cant get files out of the remote computer from the main computer: the preexisting computers have not learned how to recognize the new computer and i dont know what to tweak.

i am also generally concerned about security. if file sharing is turned on, is that is a pathway into these computers from the outside net in any way? i noticed that to enable filesharing you gotta disable the internet connection firewall, and that makes me say hmm.

i dunno. is there any other setting i might have inadvertently made that could be a danger?

i dunno, if anyone feels like talking about any of this i can be reached at that email there. or if anyone can recommend a web forum where i can do some learnin'

[ Back to Top ]


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 08, 2005 08:14 pm

anything being open can be a hazzard, but, if you are on broadband, and have a router with a decent firewall in it, that should help substantially...I fhave file sharing enabled everywhere in my network, and just have a firewall on my router stop anything coming in unless initiated by a process from the inside, such as retrieving email and web pages...

Member
Since: Jul 02, 2003


May 08, 2005 11:55 pm

You need to share a folder(s) or drive before you'll be able to access it from other computers on your network and depending on the which version of windows your using you may need to create user accounts on that computer for those allowed to access it.

You can also keep your firewall enabled but you need to allow computers on your subnet access.

Dan

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 04:20 am

its windows XP, and i am sharing a folder. shareddocs is enabled by default.

even if sharing is turned off or disabled or you made a mistake in setting it up, the remote computer should still appear in the network when you 'search for computers.' this isnt happening, so it's a deeper problem.


jimmie neutron
Member
Since: Feb 14, 2005


May 09, 2005 09:06 am

All computers have to be in the same work group and have a "name", or identification, in order to be "seen". That can be found under Control Panel, Networking (I *think* it's there in XP). Of course, if you've already shared files, that's done already. Sometimes, a re-boot of ALL devices, including your router, may be necessary for all devices to "see" each other.

I'm paranoid about my "network", also, and I've got DSL; "modem"/router/firewall (ALL patches & updates); computers with Zone Alarm software firewall, configured with sub-net mask in "Trusted" zone for the network, NO EXTRAs, just the addresses my 3 computers & one router take.

I think WinXP has a home networking setup wizard that will "discover" your setup and "automatically" configure all your WinXP boxes, but that might be in the Pro version...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 01:21 pm

yeah, theyre all in the same workgroup. and ive rebooted everything after every change i made. i dont want to run the networking wizard on the original machine because i dont know the settings the IT guy made, and, well, everything is working on the network except for this one fileshare between 2 comps. so i would hate to screw up whatever he did there--it is very likely that i would.

Lost for words with all to say.
Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003


May 09, 2005 02:30 pm

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner forty, been a busy weekend!!

So, one PC isn't seeing the main sharing PC? Sounds like something isn't set right on the PC you can't see from any other one. Double check to make sure it's setup the same as the other PCs that you can get too. Hard to say what without being right there.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 05:23 pm

yeah i dont really expect to get the question answered anymore because someone would really have to muck about in there. but, no: the main PC is seen by all the remotes. the main PC does not see my new remote.

thanks, though. if anyone gets a bolt of inspiration for what the prob might be, lemme know.


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 09, 2005 05:34 pm

are you using static IP's or dynamic IP's? if static are two using the same IP? If dynamic, is the DHCP service running on the new remote?

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 08:00 pm

nice avatar, db. :)

dynamic ip's. the only place i saw DHCP was within the router setup screen itself. inside the router there, DHCP is enabled. i was unaware i had to set that on the computers themselves. where is that setting made?

on a side note, i would prefer to use static IP's because i think they would help with me with keeping ports stably open along the network (port forwarding or whatever) but that seems beyond me right now and i have no idea how many settings there to make if you wanna do that or how the laptop would react--i didnt set that one up. so my question there is (and i wont waste your time by asking HOW to do it): is it easy? i assume you only need make a few changes to settings on the individual computers if you go to static ip's, and i assume if it doesnt work out it's a simple matter of undoing them.

no matter though: for the time being i merely want to get the file sharing working with dynamic ip's so i guess i need to find where to set the DHCP on the remote.




Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 09, 2005 08:36 pm

I am not sure, but I think each workstation has to have a DHCP service running as well, though I may be wrong. Look in the services for one.

Personally, I run all static IP's...for the same reason you would like to...I hate things that "take care of themselves", some things I wanna be in control off, plus, I hate services running that I don't need to have running, such as DHCP, and it actually conflicts with some hardware devices, not frequently, but sometimes.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 09, 2005 08:57 pm

oh, and as far as the avatar goes, I am working on a logo for the type of Kenpo I am learning, Kenpo, translated means "law of the fist", so, I am playing around with little fist pictures...

I am learning "Blended Kenpo" which is a creation of my instructor, who has been an MMA (mixede martial arts) fighter for years and has modified the original Kenpo to make it more practical for personal self defense.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 10:13 pm

ah, physical activity. i remember that. that's real cool. and i like the avatar, because as we all know, you are the iron fist of HRC. :)

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 09, 2005 10:16 pm

and i have just discovered that yes, DHCP is running on both the main and the remote computers, as well as the router. so that ain't the prob.


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 09, 2005 11:48 pm

Quote:
ah, physical activity. i remember that.


ARGH, I just got back from JiuJitsu training...jebus, my thighs are KILLING me...I'll tell ya this, if people wanna get in shape, but can't get motivated to jog, run, treadmill or just pump iron, take fighting classes...it's the most intense cardio workout you could want. Not all the arts, but ground fighting and boxing-style classes are wicked cardio...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 10, 2005 12:05 am

my friend does kumdo and says the same thing. i actually like running and weight lifting, but i havent done either in years.


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 10, 2005 12:12 am

I can't run or stuff like that (though I do lift at times) just cuz there is no "goal", it's just work...not learning anything or accomplishing anything...Ihave a hard time motivating myself to do such seemingly unrewarding tasks...

Fitness is a reward unto itself, but one hard to use for motivation...for me anyway.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 10, 2005 12:54 am

i hear ya maybe thats why i quit. though i will say, in high school we had to run like 2 miles every other day. and it does something to you. there's no real goal, butyour mind starts to drift and you get the runner's high, which i have always loved. weight lifting's reward, of course, is seeing muscle form, and feeling it.


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 10, 2005 01:15 am

Yeah, I hear ya, and I have seen some muscle forming as of late...the bummer about weight lifting is that you only work certain muscles, if you want to work a large portion of your muscle areas you are lifting all day. Doing something like wrestling, kickboxing or Jiu Jitsu is that you are working so many different muscles thru the course of a spar it's a well rounded workout...or, I dunno, thats what I am starting to learn tho...plus, it's the adrenaline thing of competing against somebody trying to counter against their moves, and they counter your counters, and they counter the counters or your counters...it gets really intense...hell, I got out of class two hours ago and I still can't get to sleep cuz my friggin adrenaline won't calm down...

Lost for words with all to say.
Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003


May 10, 2005 08:08 am

So you have DHCP running on the router and the PC's? See what IP address the PC with issues is getting. Maybe some conflict with it getting an IP address that is already being used?

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 10, 2005 01:11 pm

1. yes 2. ok i will check. i can find out the three IP's for the three computers and see if any are duplicates, but i dont know why the router would do that and if it did i assume i would be forced to learn the art of static ip's.

will post back later.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 10, 2005 01:13 pm

learning the art of static IP's would be helpful anyway...then you have yet one more service on your workstations you can shut off...always a good thing.

Lost for words with all to say.
Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003


May 10, 2005 01:33 pm

Yeah, the router's address is most likely:

192.168.1.1

Unless you have changed it.

The rest will be: 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,.....

Easy way to find your ip address on your pc (incase you are wondering):

Go to start > run > type "cmd" and hit enter > type in the black box "ipconfig" and hit enter

Your IP Address will come up.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 10, 2005 07:08 pm

i have checked and discovered that each computer does have a differnt IP. there are no doubled IP's on the network :(

Member
Since: Jul 02, 2003


May 10, 2005 08:06 pm

One thing just occurred to me, you say your using the shareddocs folder, by default when that is shared it is only shared among the users on that particular computer not on the network. So make sure you are actually sharing the folder on your network.

Dan

Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004


May 10, 2005 08:52 pm

can you do a 'find computer' from the networks folder on the main PC and see the offending remote? If it can see it and access it after that, then the browser service may be a little befuddled (low probability, ? does xp still use browser service? ). If you can't, then I'd say, on a working remote, compare that PC's network protocols settings with the non-working PC. Process of elimination.

Also, if xp uses ethernet over IP for browser service (i've no idea, just thinking out loud) than maybe it's not enabled on the remote. This would be in the network protocols section as well, so you may already find it comparing two of the remotes.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 11, 2005 03:08 am

good point dan, i didnt know that. and yes, that is the only folder i had shared on that computer.

but pjk brings up another relevant point. the computer is not even found on the network. if it had been found my next step would have been to play around with turning on sharing for some different folders but i waited because i thought the computer should be 'seen' first...

wheres network protocols? dont know if ive looked at that yet.


Member
Since: Jul 02, 2003


May 11, 2005 03:52 am

On XP it's doubtful it's a protocol problem. When you bring up the Local Area's connection properties you will see the protocol being used which will/should be TCP/IP. You also *must* enable File Sharing on the Local Area Connection properties on the computer (not just the folder you want to share) or it will not be visible to the other computers.

If you're getting a warning about the firewall being disabled when you enable File Sharing It just means it will be disabled for the local computers, not the internet. If you look at the properties for the firewall you'll see that only your subnet can pass thru the firewall for file sharing.

Dan

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 14, 2005 03:34 am

ok thanks for your help guys but i guess i need someone to look at this in the future in person. protocols are all set and file sharing is on, and still the computer is invisible. ah well.

thanks though.

Lost for words with all to say.
Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003


May 14, 2005 12:20 pm

Hey man, email me (dhubbard@pss-pa.com) and I can get you to allow me to remote in and I can basically see it in person if you want me too.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 14, 2005 01:59 pm

ok i wont be back at the house here till tomorrow, though. and i have to re-allow that remote thing, which i think is a service. ill get back to you tomorrow. thanks.

Related Forum Topics:



If you would like to participate in the forum discussions, feel free to register for your free membership.