Public schools doing another fine job

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Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002

Well, we got a great letter home from school yesterday. Apparantly they nabbed some kid with plans to burn down the school...motive...to get a day off. Of course they took "swift and decisive action" but don't care to share what that action was.

When are these administrations (not a right/left thing, they both suck this way) gonna learn this is where we are supposed to start raising good kids...instead of paying teachers like crap, taking more and more disciplinary right away from them and letting the kids run the school.

Oh, by the way, this school only had kids up to 6th friggin grade!

Home schooling is starting to look appealing.

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Jack of all trades master of ___
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Since: May 28, 2004

Apr 15, 2005 02:33 pm

This is a sign of why we are circling the drain.

Parents (not all) these days do a shitty job raising these kids, without discipline, without attention and these are the payoffs.

When are people going to actually accept resposibility for their actions...

I saw George Carlin last night and he made the obvious point of how parents try to have it both ways...If the kid fucks up the parents peel back "we didnt have anything to do with that...it was the music, video games, TV, movie"........Enter lawsuit....

But if the kid does well...they sure run right to the front claiming they had everything to do with it.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Apr 15, 2005 02:38 pm

Oooooooo, that pisses me off, the whole "it's the music and video games" crap...jebus, if your kid is so impressionable that he or she succumbs to the temptation of a SONG or the actions of a VIDEO GAME, the kid has WAY bigger problems than anyone is really aware of I think...I grew up listening to the worst of music at the time...all it did was make me a musician...not a killer or suicide victim...

I always have to laugh when people bring up the old storyof the kid that killed himself to Ozzy's "Suicide Solution"...all it does is point out that the person talking about and the kid that did it actually paid no mind to the song itself, since it was actually standing against alcoholism...people are so ****** stupid.

I wanna write music that talks kids into going to hug their parents and clean their rooms...

Jack of all trades master of ___
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Since: May 28, 2004

Apr 15, 2005 02:41 pm

Scapegoat for lack of parenting skills...

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Since: Apr 11, 2004

Apr 15, 2005 02:44 pm

I remember that bit with Ozzy... a reporter asked him about what his opinion wqs of the whole thing, while he was walking out of the courtroom, his reply was...

"Hey, it's Rock 'N Roll ."

... nice one !

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004

Apr 15, 2005 03:08 pm

homeschooling is very tempting indeed...but i've got three active homeschooler familys in my life...and it seems when the kid steps out in the world, there is a tremendus "living in a bubble" effect that they all have in common. i donno, i've got mixed emotions. i definately agree that the public school systems are pretty bad off. but i had a damn good time in HS....loved just about every day of it. i'm a people person, and the social aspect of public schools is definately worth something. you learn people skills big time (well most). i know there's "activity groups" for homeschoolers, but when you get a large group of *insert common interest* together, things take on a wierd perspective shift. ppl's ideals are amplified and it's a self feeding cycle. ever see 100-10,000 hippies together??? it's just human nature, no one is guilty of anything...i try to have as many deverse ppl in my life as i can....in florida i've had kids from Pakastan, Jordan, England, South Africa (roomate)...and not to mention my bud's on the net....i love human diversity cuz when you average out everyone, ppl are very good hearted.
but i digress, (did i use that properly?) you just don't get that with homeschool, and those first 18 years shape alot of who you are. as for accually learning in public schools, you get what you put in, and most don't put in enough. i know i sure didn't, but do i regret it?? nope

peace

wyd

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Since: Apr 03, 2002

Apr 15, 2005 03:11 pm

I feel the same way about it, I want my kids to have the social aspect that homeschooling can lack. It doesn't always, as it depends ont he community, many communities have homeschooling groups where the kids get together frequently, go on outings...there is always community sports and such things as well.

My wife is a licensed educator, so I know they'd be in good hands for the reading, writing and arithmatic parts of education.

I have seen some real good kids come from home schooling, and some real introverts...it's all in how you handle it and the outside support there is available.

And sadly, if the choice is between an introverted kid or a dead kid...well, no contest.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Apr 16, 2005 08:32 pm

Sadly though it is not just public schools who suffer these days. Many private schools turn out serial killers and psycho's just the same. You have to remember some of those kids are sent to private school to get them out of the way. Or to teach them a lesson. All that does is end up taking a bad situation and making it worse for those who are thrust into it that way. It is just another way for a parent to ignore their children.

Blaming music or video games is as stated, absolute nonsense. Pay attention and teach your kids the differance between fantasy and reality. Some might disagree with it but I have never been affriad to let my kids see the world just as it is. Reality can be harsh when you are ill prepared for it.

Parents need to take the time and spend it teaching there kids the differance between real violence and TV/fictional violence. My kids have shoot em up video games to play when they feel distructive, and they know the differance. They also play games that take some deeper thinking to make it. Again, knowing the differance between reality and fiction. Games, movies and music are just entertainment, nothing more in this house.

Bottom line is Pay ******* attention to your kids. Dont be afraid to nail them when they **** up. And especially dont candy coat the details. Make them understand the reality that is out there! Or they will end up taking a peek just to find out what is in that box you told them not to look in, but didnt tell them why!!!

End of Rant!

Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!!
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Since: May 11, 2002

Apr 16, 2005 09:37 pm

Parents want to be able to not pay attention to the kids, but they never want to teach the kids to take care of themselves.

I'll admint I was raised on TV... though it was PBS... and that I played with guns and fire. As such, I had already watched a large chunk of the movies my classes were shown in highschool and college...so I didn't have to pay too close attention... I learned how to safly operate firearms and shoot really freaking well... and I learned that falling into piles of burning garbage was not fun.

I also learned to drive in 1st grade and was driving tractors regularly down the local highways by 5th grade... I was in my first accident (van meets parked flatbed trailor) in 7th grade and I learned parents can make the same mistakes (next day dad with same van meets parked semi)...so I've learned to always wear my seat belt :)


SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
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Since: Jun 20, 2002

Apr 16, 2005 10:01 pm

I agree with you noise , people (kids are people :) need to know the difference between fantisy and reality and right and wrong. I didn't get beat as a kid and i do not condone abuse at all but when i screwed up (a rare occation) i was delt with swiftly and justly, I'd get a swat on the back side (when i was a wee lad) and then a talk on why what i did was wrong . as I got older other punishment worked and there was always an open dialog between my folks, usualy after a brief cooling down period we would talk about the consiqueces and what could have or did happen. I made my mistakes and got everything i deserved, I really respect my parents and we talk all the time now. My mother never candy coated anything and i moved around so much i was able to see the world and how other cultures handled proples. Anyone can have kids , it takes skill and effort to be a parent.

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Apr 17, 2005 11:38 am

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I have seen some real good kids come from home schooling, and some real introverts...it's all in how you handle it and the outside support there is available.

i looked into home schooling, i had the same concearns about my daughter not picking up/developing social skills, and interacting with other kids. but i found out there was a community of home schooled children in the area that meet a few times a week, wether it be a field trip or just going to the park, which i thought was a great idea!

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004

Apr 17, 2005 01:14 pm

our local school principle informed us that any school activities or classes are open to home schooled children, so our's can participate in social activities, extra cirriculum, etc. Seems like a pretty attractive option for us.

Of course we haven't gotten started in it yet, so I can't exactly say how it's going. Next year we will though.

I'm also concurring with noize, we are pretty open with our kids about the difficulties in the real world, and talk to them often when things come up that need attention. We don't use physical tactics to adminster discipline, having given that up when they were 2 or 3 years old. We find that frankness and open discussion (along with other types of discipline) work pretty darn well.

We have been complemented often on how well are children behave.

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