Apr 04, 2005 12:20 pm most pitch correction plugs match to a givven key signature, i've never heard of any that fix pitch based on what the other tracks are dooin'.
Autotune... Is it really worth the money?
Posted on Apr 04, 2005 11:13 am
ZX6R1033
Perdido
Member Since: Dec 15, 2004
I want a program like this... I think. Adobe Audition has one built in. But my question is this: (keep in mind, I have not had the chance to play with this yet, for lack of vocal mic)
It appears that most of these programs dont actually match the pitch of the song, but rather, depend on a scale to determine pitch. Does autotune actually match the pitch of the song, or do they all operate the same?
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Apr 04, 2005 12:20 pm most pitch correction plugs match to a givven key signature, i've never heard of any that fix pitch based on what the other tracks are dooin'.
Apr 04, 2005 03:24 pm In auto mode they they will figure out the basic pitch that the notes should <probably> be, but not the key of the song.
If you use the chromatic scale which generally works pretty well with vocals and guitar in auto mode with Adobe Audition it works pretty well. I would imagine that Autotune would be better than the built in AA pitch correction, but AA's works fine for minor corrections at least.
Dan
Apr 04, 2005 08:02 pm I would say that 95% of autotune's use is in the manual mode in which you literaly draw the pitch of the track up to the desired note on a graph.
Apr 05, 2005 08:42 am I would say that 95% of autotune's use is in the manual mode in which you literaly draw the pitch of the track up to the desired note on a graph.
That would be more than sufficient for me.
Apr 05, 2005 06:14 pm I have to say that I live and die by Autotune. Once you get the hang of graphical mode, you will be blown away with it. Since neither myself or my collaborater are great singers, this tool is a must.
Another program I just learned about is one called Melodyne, from celemony. It has two versions, one that is for "Studio" and one for the home enthusiest. The home model does not allow you to work with stereo tracks and is limited to 8 tracks at any single moment. (MORE than enough if your just using it to correct stuff). It is also less expensive and appears to be BETTER than Autotune. I strongly recommend checking out Celemony's website and watching the tutorials. It blew me away. I am going to get a copy of this in the near future.
NOTE: Musicians Friend carries it, but for some reason they price it almost 50% more than anyone else on the net.
Apr 05, 2005 07:17 pm MF.com will price match, although you have to call them on the phone and therefore bypass any commission that HRC.com gets from it. Unless you can mention HRC to them so dB gets his props.
Apr 06, 2005 12:04 am Get it... if you need it. If you aren't sure then you probably don't.
Apr 06, 2005 08:42 am Get it... if you need it. If you aren't sure then you probably don't.
I am not sure if I need it or not, because I have never EVER EVER sang in front of anyone before. You might say I am a bit "mic shy" as well. I don't know how it will turn out.
Apr 06, 2005 10:27 am In that case, I'd have to second Forty's suggestion above and start practicing! Sing in the shower, on your way to work, every chance you get. Heck, I think that voice lessons would be a better investment than pitch correction software.
Apr 06, 2005 10:48 am lol its all good in theory but i sing a lot.. just not when anyone else is around. Your voice always sounds different to you than it does to others. If I cant even sing in front of my closest friends, I fail to see how I could be expected to sing in front of a teacher.
I think I can learn enough about what I need to know with the built in plugin... If I don't like how it turns out, I will get someone else to do vox.
Apr 06, 2005 11:38 am I know I know...I was the same way. I hate the sound of my voice and always have. It's so weird to hear it back on a recording.
But, you just have to break the ice. I'm always weird about singing in front of people. A couple of beers never hurts to ease the nerves. Unfortunately, having too many beers dulls the part of your brain that usually tells you that you're out of tune, and it totally kills the part that tells you to stop because everybody in the room is wincing :-D
But, you have to start somewhere. Singing for an audience (even if the audience is just a microphone) takes practice just like singing to yourself does. You can doo eet!
Apr 06, 2005 04:52 pm I just sing it till I get it right. Sometimes it's one take, sometimes it's 100. I have a rack mounted one, but never use it for my band. We just do it over.
Apr 11, 2005 08:28 pm Watch the auditions for "X-factor" and "American Idol" and you`ll see that a whole lot of people hear themselves singing wonderfully when in fact they can`t even hit one right note. Giving them an Autotune would not make one iota of difference.
I will echo some of what`s been said already - get singing. Sing out loud, sing in your head. Sing on your own, sing to the track. Sing in the bath / shower, anywhere. And while you are singing....... listen. Better still, record it and play it back and be critical. regarding being too shy to sing in front of a vocal tutor you`ll find that you`re wrong there as well. It`s harder to sing to friends than it is to sing to a stranger. Also you`ll be constantly aware that the tutor wants to help you, not kick you.
Good luck :)
Apr 13, 2005 10:38 am I have the hardware version (ATR-1a)... don't use it much because I don't sing much... but it makes me feel a lot safer when I'm recording another band that doesn't have the time/patience to get it right... or preferable use it as an effect.
Apr 13, 2005 06:23 pm Get a freakin gig, that fixed it for me. It was sing or die. lol
And if you muck up, start acting like blink 182.
Yea, thatll work
Apr 13, 2005 06:53 pm I use the Autotune. All I have to say is "WOW". Our vocalist sometimes gets off key when recording. Snapped on Autotune and told it what key it is in. Took out all the notes that isn't suppose to be hit. Bam! He is dead on! I love it.
May 10, 2005 06:01 pm yeah, Autotune can work in a situation, but only if you are already pretty close to the note in my opinion. I was in shock to hear from a professional engineer that I dealt with that about 90 percent of all singers (pro's included) are pitch corrected now days.
So, yeah start out practicing your singing. If you can get a good take without the Autotune that has the right notes, and emotions, then I say that is your best bet. In a pinch if you are in a hurry the Autotune works pretty good though. :)
I can attest to the fact that practice makes perfect. I was never much of a singer either, and still don't consider myself to be much of one yet. But I do realize that I am getting better at it with time and the more that I do it. :)
Goodluck.
May 12, 2005 08:49 pm I have a version 3 of Autotune. It works great. I used to to make my wife sound great from a really poor recording (she is not a singer and did her best). I even added tremelo to her voice and now the song is spot on with nice pro sounding trem.
New is 300 or about. I dont know that I would spend that much. I got this used older version for 50. It has a great graphic mode to make pitch adjust to single notes too.
If you set the sensitivity and speed to high you get artifacts that are obvious and robot sounding, but when those are set good it works good. you can pick any key or just use chromatic (which I do) as the notes shouldnt be more the 100 semitones off. And you can create your own scales and even hook it up to a midi so that the vocal correction tracks a midi input. All of the that stuff works great. Audition doesnt do most of that.
May 12, 2005 09:47 pm Yes, you have to be sort of near the note. If you are not, it makes it sound even more off. I can sort of tell when a vocal is using it now. Since I notice that, I hear it in about every mainstream song!
May 13, 2005 09:02 pm Autotune really has caught my interest. I'd really like for someone to post a couple of samples of the same recording...one with Autotune and one without. That would be cool to hear the difference.
May 13, 2005 10:07 pm doesnt their website have before and after samples?
May 13, 2005 10:54 pm I'd feel better with third party samples.
May 13, 2005 11:14 pm You know you can download a demo...thats the only way you will be satisfied you have your answers. It used to be a full capability, time limited demo for like 30 days. they also have version 3 shown as demo which you may be able to find cheaper then the latest version 4. It can be either a plug-in version or native....it should give you the choice.
www.antarestech.com/download/demoform.shtml
May 14, 2005 12:22 pm I see what I can do guitar_jim to give you a sample. It REALLY made a difference in my background vocals. It's hard to match up 3 women singing harmony with some of that up and down sounds being out of tune with each other. Slapped on Autotune and it was perfect!
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