Feb 04, 2005 12:39 pm well, FL is raved about more because it's not just a drum sequencer, you can make entire compositions within it with dozens of different instruments...so that alone might be a big plus.
Fruity Loops vs. Stock Sequencer
Posted on Feb 04, 2005 12:30 pm
Satellite Jack
Member Since: Nov 29, 2004
I’ve seen a lot of you guys rave about this Fruity Loops program for drums. What is the advantage of using FL over the drum sequencer that comes with, say, Pro Tools? I rely greatly on having a realistic and easy to use drum sequencer, so if you think I can do more with Fruity Loops, let me know!
Thanks!
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Feb 04, 2005 12:39 pm well, FL is raved about more because it's not just a drum sequencer, you can make entire compositions within it with dozens of different instruments...so that alone might be a big plus.
Feb 04, 2005 12:42 pm Oh i see... well in your opinion, from just a drum standpoint, would FL get me anything I don't already have?
Feb 04, 2005 12:47 pm I dunno, I don't recall ever having worked with ProTools sequencer, but I would doubt it, short of FL coming with loads of great kit samples and stuff, but then, PT prolly does too.
Feb 04, 2005 01:08 pm i can't stand FL....so i'm extremely biased against it, that said if you're wanting "realistic drums" you need a good sampler and good drum samples. otherwise you're forced to play pre-recorded loops.
Feb 04, 2005 01:12 pm Well, I am not really a big FL user/advocate myself, tho I was a few years back, I think you can get pretty awesome drum beats out of it given the time to do it. But, as with any beat maker, much of it depends on the quality of the samples you start with, and the time you have to "humanize" them.
Personally, in that price range, I'd take Cakewalk's "Kinetic" any day of the week over FL, very similar apps, I just like the workflow of Kinetic better.
Feb 04, 2005 01:16 pm i've been meanin' to get a look at that...i've been using reason for that kinda stuff for so long, i've lost touch with what everyone else is dooin'
Feb 04, 2005 01:20 pm If you don't like FL, you probably won't like Kinetic. Like I said, they are VERY similar, just workflow and usability difference, the work space is different, but the same type of work is done in it.
For drums, in my opinion, at the moment there is not a damn thing that can even TOUCH Native Instruments Battery 2.
Feb 04, 2005 01:28 pm yeah i like battery alot...is cakewalk still pushin' ahhh what was it.....i think it was called a 002 drum module or somethin' like that, i used to use that one alot and it's pretty much a trimmed down version of battery.
Feb 04, 2005 03:53 pm What sequencer are you calling "Stock"? as far as I know PT comes with reason adapted, which some say sucks compared to the full version of reason since most features are scaled down.
I run to FL first since it is what I know, BUT what matters most is the samples used. I've used the DRUMKIT FROM HELL samples and they are great... plus I've seen DKFH II for $100 someplaces.
Feb 04, 2005 08:03 pm if anyone's a fruity user and you want to talk to me, i want to talk to you about time signatures.
Feb 04, 2005 08:24 pm db sez:
Jun 18, 2004 07:24 pm
The last time I played with FL (admitedly a long time ago) it's biggest drawback was time signature and tempo changes...as far as I know thats still the case.
db, how easy is it to change time sigs MID SONG in battery 2?
Feb 04, 2005 09:03 pm it depends on the host application, as battery works as a VSTi (or DXi actually) inside a host app, so it will change time signatures as the host app allows, in the case of Sonar, as I use it in, it's as easy as the tempo mapping.
Feb 04, 2005 09:14 pm fruity will do that too i think...
but if you're changing time sigs you're also gonna want to be changing beats.
fruity has no way to write a beat in a different time signature. i have no idea what would happen if i gave fruity all 4/4 beats then switched cubase over to 6/4. maybe the beat would just truncate after one and a half passes.
but to really take advantage of time signature changes, you have to be able to create distinct patterns in other time sigs. and map those to your sequence in the pattern sequencer.
can you do this in battery?
Feb 04, 2005 09:58 pm Forty, I was never able to do that in Fruity Loops. I could only set the number of beats as a global setting for all patterns in a song.
Same with tempo changes. In FL3, I was unable to change tempo in the middle of the song, although I think that later versions might have introduced that functionality.
Jack, I think that whatever sequencer you use, as long as it has the ability to use your own samples and if it has some sort of equivalent to Fruity's piano roll, then you should be able to produce just about any level of complexity and realism in your drum patterns.
Feb 04, 2005 10:44 pm this fruity situation continues to be an emergency for me. i might need to postpone getting ozone and invest in a different drum program. sometimes timesig changes are just the medicine you need to get yourself out of a songwriting rut. was for me tonight. but there's no easy way to play around with different sections with fruity as it is now, so i shelve my 6/4 song tonight, head hung low.
Feb 05, 2005 12:38 pm yeah, i think it's safe to say you've outgrown FL
Feb 17, 2005 11:06 pm Well, keep your eye's open for the new Project 5 2.0. You will be able to do more then just changing things like tempo and such on the fly. You will also be able to drop in samples, loops, whatever while the thing is running. Also delete, move, stretch, change pitch, add FX, change FX, all while this thing is playing live. It is going to absolutely blow away Ableton Live, and pretty much everything else out there directed at live use.
Anyway, enough P5 braggin.
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