Recording Tips Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on Dec 10, 2002 10:01 am
Lincoln
Member Since: Dec 10, 2002
Okay
I have had my four track for awhile now and I am experienced and I am used to everything so I want to upgrade. I have already decided that I am going to get a behringer mx2442 mixer. And I think that I am going to get a cd recorder seperate from my computer. Now If I have 24 channels in my mixer does that mean I can record 24 tracks onto the cd recorder???
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Dec 10, 2002 10:41 am Well, the CD recorder is for burning the final copy, not to mutlitrack into. For that you need to either run it into your PC, which would require a decent sound card, or you need a hard disk recorder.
How many tracks you can record is wholey dependant on those other components. Not just your mixer.
Dec 10, 2002 10:44 am How much does one of those run?????????????
Dec 10, 2002 11:14 am One of what? I suggested a couple things. Hard disk recorders can be quite costly, sound cards, well, it depends how many tracks you need to record at the same time. for 2 tracks simultaneously they start quite cheap, to record 10 at one time you are moving up into the $600+ price range.
Dec 10, 2002 12:46 pm Actually Now that I know that. I think I am leaning more toward the yamaha16g Do you know much about those?
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Dec 10, 2002 12:50 pm ya mean this:
service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
It looks OK for a simple DAW. See if you can upgrade the hard drive if you need to. It comes with a 20GB...get enough songs going and that MAY fill up...
Dec 10, 2002 01:09 pm Hey man. I am on a little bit of a budget here. Plus its coming as a birthday present. I will be turning 13. I might look into updating the hard drive later on down the road.
Dec 10, 2002 02:34 pm Oh, I meant for if you need to upgrade it in the future, not right away, ya always gotta be thinking ahead.
Dec 10, 2002 03:35 pm Which type of multi tracker is your favorite????
Dec 10, 2002 04:46 pm One on a PC. I have not used any recording medium besides a PC in a loooong time.
Dec 10, 2002 11:11 pm wow! a youngin'! i think just about everyone here could recommend that you go with a PC based system. You need a good soundcard (about $200) and some tracking/editing software, but that all depends on what kind of projects you'll be doing. a mixer will still be an important part of your setup, but with a PC you might find that you won't need that many channels since the mixdown occurs inside the PC. Are you sure you need 24 channels?
Dec 11, 2002 07:35 am To expand on Jamie's thoughts a little bit, what kind of music do you plan on doing? What size of a band? What instruments? stuff like that, with that info we can prolly get you heading in the right direction.
Dec 11, 2002 07:57 am Well first of all I am going to need atleast 6 or seven inputs. I am going to be making a demo. I am not in a band but I have friends that come in and help me out. Another thing is my pc is a piece of crap. Because my parents got a nice one and gave me there old one. I am a more serious artist than most people. I am not your hobbyist. Plus the yamaha has mixing mastering and hard disc reording in the same machine.
Dec 11, 2002 08:10 am Quote:
I am a more serious artist than most people.
Uuuum, not to split hairs, but your 13 years old? What makes you so much more of an artist than anyone else here? Not trying to be insulting, just curious...
Do you need 6 or 7 inputs at the same time? Or just need 6 or 7 tracks recorded in total? There is a big difference.
That said tho, if the Yamaha is gonna work for you, great, go for it. Just keep in mind one thing tho, PC's can easily be upgraded, new parts, new software, you can try many. With a hardware recorder like the Yamaha, if you want to upgrade you have to by a new complete unit.
Not saying that's bad, or trying to discourage you, just looking ahead. At 13 years old I am guessing you musical vision will change and expand exponentially over the coming years, therefore your needs will too.
Dec 11, 2002 09:42 am Okay maybe the I am a more serious artist than most people cam out wrong. But put it this way. I want to try to make a career out music. I am going to be sending my demo to labels. And stuff like that.
Dec 11, 2002 09:44 am Oh yeah not to sound smart or anything but I have played to crowds of around 130 people.
Dec 11, 2002 10:02 am Ok, not to sound smart but so have many of us. My biggest crowd was in the neighborhood of a couple thousand. Noize2u has played in arena's.
Many of us want to make a career out of it, some of us have, at 13 everyone wants to be a rock star. And don't get me wrong, I am not trying to harsh your buzz, cuz honestly I hope you can, but just cuz you submit a record to a label doesn't mean you get signed...it's a tough business.For every professional artist there are ten that are just as good, if not better that can't get signed...it's sad but the music business isn't really about music...
Also, there are many careers in music that have nothing to do with playing an instrument. I make a good portion of my income from the music industry, and really I don't play instruments that often anymore...well, now I am cuz we are scoring a movie, but that isn't the norm.
Your best bet in getting anything done is to not come in with an ego, you are young, and though maybe done some neat stuff, because of your age few will take you seriously, and bragging about playing to 130 people really won't go far cuz it isn't that many in the big picture. Be humble, learn from others who have been there and the rest will follow.
Please understand I am not trying to be a jerk, I'm really not, just trying to share some advice...I think you should shoot for your dreams, that's awesome. But just be aware of how you handle yourself. Confident, but not arrogant.
Dec 11, 2002 10:27 am thanks for the advice. But you have to admit that 130 people at my age aint that bad. I know that just because I send a demo off to a label that it doesn't mean that I am signed. Once I get my recording set up finished. You will see what I am talking about.
Dec 11, 2002 10:32 am Just another thing to add that I forgot to tell you about that croud of 130 I got a 4 minute stand ovation.
Dec 11, 2002 10:47 am OK, you're the king, kid.
::shrugs::
This whole community is full of some great songwriters, some great producers and engineers, and some great musicians, many of whom are very accomplished and have great talent. I wouldn't come in here saying how great you are dude...you're not gonna make a lot of friends or get a llot of help from people if you are flying above...we hang together.
Dec 11, 2002 10:41 am "Just another thing to add that I forgot to tell you about that croud of 130 I got a 4 minute stand ovation."
I don't mean to be harsh, or beat a dead horse... but this goes back to the whole ego thing. This isn't really a place to discuss this kind of stuff. Things like that (I hate to say it) don't matter here. This forum is about recording, not about how many people we've all played in front of.
Just a few words of advice here. If you go around telling people what you just said, you're going to come off as errogant... I'm sure that isn't your intention, but that's just one of those things you don't tell someone unless they ask.
I'm sorry if anything I said was insulting, I didn't mean for it to be. Hopefully you'll find some sort of advice in my ramblings.
Dec 11, 2002 11:03 am I didn't mean to come off all arrogant if thats what you want to call it. I don't think that I am better than any of you in here. You got to know though that its easy to get cocky and confident mixed up.
Dec 11, 2002 01:27 pm relax everyone, Lincoln here hasn't made any comments that could be logically concidered arrogant, only a few defensive comments after other's egotistical words were struck. I think everyone who takes a moment to re-read can agree. Personally I'm impressed with the knowledge and determination from such a young new member of our community. I'm sure Lincoln has much to teach us as well as learn from us.
Dec 11, 2002 01:41 pm Hey, I'm sixteen :-)
(I hope that wasn't an arrogant thing to say...) haha. Well, welcome to the forum, Lincoln. It's the best one on the net!
Dec 11, 2002 01:43 pm You're 16, what a stuck-up thing to say, sheesh, what jerk! :-)
just kiddin dude, I hope you know that tho...
Dec 11, 2002 02:47 pm Hey thanks Jamie for the support.Finally s omebody that understands me.
Dec 11, 2002 03:17 pm :: calming down a little ::
Lincoln, it's not that we don't understand you, actually, I understand you more than you might know.
While on one hand I personally think it's super cool to have someone so young digging the music thing, as I did, on the other it annoys me to no end when people come in here trying to tell everyone how great they are. That ticks me off.
Generally we collaborate, learn from each other, and joke around a lot. There is no ranks or hierarchy (except for the mods I gave some power to :-) and few people are really interested in what great gigs you have played as we are all busy trying to do our own things, playing our own gigs or starting our own music businesses...and we are all trying to help each other do that. It's a community not a contest.
If we had to a ton of us could put together a "I have done this" list, but really, who cares. It's where you're going, not where you have been.
Dec 11, 2002 03:26 pm I never said it was a contest. Who is there to compete with?
DanMember
Since: Nov 21, 2002
Dec 11, 2002 03:26 pm Hey lincoln, What instruments/ kind of music do you play? Have any Recordings?
Dec 11, 2002 03:29 pm Quote:
I never said it was a contest. Who is there to compete with?
I will assume that was not intended as it could easily be interpreted...
Dec 11, 2002 03:43 pm Hey Lincoln, you should fill out your Profile so we have some idea of your setup, interrests, and level of experience.
Dec 11, 2002 03:55 pm Ummm,Lincoln,I gotta echo Jamie.Fill out your profile so we can get a better idea about you.Although I'm new to home recording,I'm not new to this business.I've heard a lot and seen a lot.I am anxious for you to get something down so maybe you can get it on mp3 so's we can hear it.But to answer your original question...you can mix 24 tracks down to a cd,but you won't have 24 seperate tracks on the cd...you'll have a stereo cd. 2 tracks I believe....
Dec 11, 2002 04:49 pm Well I have now decided to get a yamaha16G. I will get it in march but once I record a thign or two. I will try to post them.
Dec 11, 2002 05:15 pm hey guys, i'm 16, and I like to think that someday I may get somewhere with my music, but my main satisfaction comes from pleasantly surprising people when they listen to my music rather than telling them that its wonderful myself, as I'd prefer them to be the judge of that, and If they don't like it then I'm always ready for some constructive critisism. At my age, feedback is great, as it gets me on the right track. The only person who I don't like getting feedback from is my mum, as she feels that everything should sound like rod stewart :( I recorded 1 album a year or so back on an old pentium 166, but this year i should come up with some stuff over christmas with my new equipment (when I find out how it works!) so I'll prob stick something up on the internet next jan. By the way, has anyone used the Edirol Super Quartet? its an amazing soft synth
Dec 11, 2002 06:11 pm Hey Lincoln, I looked into the Yamaha a bit more and it actually looks like a pretty cool unit. The only drawback is it's track limits. 8 mono and 4 stereo tracks...not enough for me at times...I dunno about you.
But it does look like a nice unit.
Dec 11, 2002 10:31 pm But I can record 8 tracks at once right? Oh yeah I am also going to geta new mic. I a looking at the Marshall it's around 80 bucks. Do you think its pretty good.
Dec 11, 2002 11:52 pm I would guess it's the MXL V63M at $79.99.
Dec 12, 2002 05:28 am Yes, you can record 8 tracks at one. It's got two DSP loops, full parametric EQ on each track...pretty cool.
Dec 12, 2002 07:54 am Yeah I believe that's the mic.
Dec 12, 2002 10:13 am Do you think its a good enough set up to make a pretty good demo? And it will have a professional sound?
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Dec 12, 2002 10:16 am That depends some on the product and some on you. All I read about it in regards to mastering is that it has "mastering tools"...doesn't say what that means or what they are. It can integrate with a PC as well, which mkaes it that much cooler.
Yes, it looks to be just fine for demo purposes, but whether or not it has that professional edge remains unknown because I cannot see what they mean by "mastering tools". If there is no maximizer/finalizer type of thing in it it will never rival professional recordings, also, it only has two DSP loops, which for 16 tracks is light, but useful. All in all I have no doubt it will put out exactly what you put into it.
Dec 12, 2002 02:17 pm Now if sometime later on down the road I want to add a compressor to my set up. With that also give it more of a professional sound?
Dec 12, 2002 02:49 pm Yup. I assume there is some sort of compression in the built in DSP's, but having an outboard is cool too!
Dec 12, 2002 02:55 pm Thanks
SonicoMember
Since: Apr 19, 2002
Dec 13, 2002 10:49 am Hey Lincoln, I just want to tell you that I haven't read good reviews about the Marshall mics.
They are cheap and they are good looking but they don't sound any good.
I don't own a Marshall but that's what I've heard. Anyway, for $80 you can give it a try and find yourself how it sound.
I hope you tell us what do you think of it!
Dec 13, 2002 11:41 am yeah i can't believe a mic that cheap will give you good results, check out the new rhode nt1-a or the oktava
Dec 13, 2002 12:20 pm Actually my budget for a mic has went up. Does anybody know any really good mics for around 100 bucks? I am getting paid more than what I thought I was going to get for the job that I am doing. So anyway let me know.
Thanks
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Dec 13, 2002 10:24 pm I use that MXL mic that you're talking about, and I actually like it. I run that into my board (no compressor yet) and I like the sound I'm getting. This could just be me though. I know it would never compete with some of the higher end mics, but It's not a complete waste of money. For 80 bux you can't go wrong really. It's a nice little condensor mic I think. But that's just my opinion.
MitchMember
Since: Apr 14, 2002
Dec 13, 2002 10:37 pm Take a look at the Behringer B1. Musicians Friend has them for about a hundred bucks.
Dec 14, 2002 04:43 am The big thing that I am going to look in a mic is just a pretty clear sound.
Dec 14, 2002 09:37 am As for mics... (this is where all the regulars are saying "here we go again...")
I would recomend the SM57. It does it all. And it's under $100.
MitchMember
Since: Apr 14, 2002
Dec 14, 2002 01:31 pm Yeah, I used an SM57 on a song I just recorded and it sounds pretty good.
