Midi issues and Triton...

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ILLbino - one of WA's finest
Member Since: Feb 10, 2004

This goes for all you Triton owners.

I've been using the Triton to trigger sounds on my computer which works fine. Now I'm trying to have the computer trigger sounds on the Triton. I think I need to change the global settings on the Triton, but don't know how to like the manual tells me to. Only way I can get the MIDI to play right is if I save the midi file on a floppy disk and then load it on the Triton. Then it works fine. But it should be easier than this and the midi should automatically play on the Triton, right? What could I be doing wrong? How do I change the local settings?

P.S. My midi out from my computer does work right, becaues I hooked the midi out of my computer to the midi in of my computer and it triggered a ton of notes, lol.

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Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 12:46 am

YES. i hope someone answers this, illbizzel--i am having the exact same prob with my triton. the thing is, i KNOW i had it working about a year ago. then i got away from midi. and now i want to use it again.

from what i remember the triton setup is pretty straightforward. maybe one setting to make. i started looking into my cubase settings when my prob hit home, as i was convinced the problem was in cubase's midi out settings. then, unfortunately, i went out and got drunk, and haven't revisited the problem. now i am considering the idea that there is something that must be tweaked in the ol' silver beast. i will try to check the manual as soon as i get some time here. in the meantime, if anyone else has the answer to this question, oh! would i (we?) be grateful!

Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 04:14 am

hey dude
Your gonna need an Triton.INI file

so the computer knows which sounds to select inside your triton
second You are going to have get into some kind of "midi-mode" in your triton

Don't know how to get there in a triton

I'll look op the ini file give me a few mins

Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 04:26 am

www.tritonhaven.com/downloads/patterns.html

On that site
Not only Plenty of Information regarding the Triton
there are also the INI files

there are different ones I don't know which one you're gonna need
so check it out

after you downloaded it, (you had sonar right?, or homestudio or something)
just do this

Options-->
Instruments-->
Define-->
Import-->
(Now find the .ini file)
Click OK-->
Click Close-->
Select all the output channels (in the Assign instruments Box) and point them to your Triton ( the right box)

then Click Ok


Then whichever Midi track you open
there are three bars in which you're gonna select the sound

-Channel (Which one of the sixteen is playing Drums? right! CH 10 :D
-Bank
-Patch

Hope it works

Let me know


Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 04:35 am

btw
Forty I don't know how that works in Cubase

But it'll prolly be the same
I guess

ILLbino - one of WA's finest
Member
Since: Feb 10, 2004


Sep 06, 2004 01:00 pm

i figured it out. I use fruity loops and didn't see the option that said "enable midi out" lol. Works great now. Thanks anyway though.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 01:11 pm

woaaah presley! i didnt have to do anything like this last year. the way i had my settings, midi data in a cubase midi track would simply trigger the korg to play stuff...i think using whatever patch was active at the time. i've never heard of this .ini method before. and that tritonhaven page didnt seem to have anything for users of SX. not to doubt you though. i just wonder. agh confusion reigns! whaere bey ma manuals!

illbizz can you describe to me what you're doing with your triton and your fruity? i am looking for ideas.

actually i was looking for a way to get midi data (in a cubase midi track) to trigger triton drums. but i would play around with fruity as a trigger too. (does this involve a 'drum map' in some weird way, or can i somehow just load a kit in the triton and get fruity to trigger the keys i want?)

basically, illbizz, whatcha doin'?

ILLbino - one of WA's finest
Member
Since: Feb 10, 2004


Sep 06, 2004 01:24 pm

i basically added a midi out channel in fruity. Then recorded the midi data. Then I matched the port number of the Midi Out channel to my sound card's midi output Port number.

Then, in the fruity loops "options", I checked "enable midi output". Then, it worked. Now I have to figure out how to play multiple combinations at once. Hope this helps.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 06, 2004 01:36 pm

yeah but what are you trying to do?

are you using fruity to trigger triton drum sounds?

if so, how do you get the different channels of the drum sequencer to match up with the different drum sounds of the triton?


ILLbino - one of WA's finest
Member
Since: Feb 10, 2004


Sep 07, 2004 03:12 am

I'm using fruity to trigger sounds. I'm not using it for drum sounds yet, but I'll try that. I know when I adjust the patch, it adjusts the instrument. Then when one of the drum kits are loaded, I adjust the note that is played and then a particular drum sound is triggered. I haven't figured out yet how to have multiple Triton sounds to get triggered.

Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 07, 2004 03:24 am

I don't know about fruity

but you ( forty) in Cubase

You are going to need the .ini file (i'll see if I can find it for ya) It's just so you can select which ever sound you want from the Triton

and I don't know about the Triton
But my Yamaha s90 has a "seq play" button on it which brings me to my Midi menu so I can play 16 different channels of midi at the same time with the SOunds I want it to

I'll see if I can come up with something that Helps you

Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 07, 2004 03:36 am

hmm Hard time finding it
IS cubase really that different? maybe it don't need a .ini

Where'z NOize? :D

I have to go to the dentist right now

I'll be Back ;)

Bohemian
Member
Since: May 04, 2003


Sep 07, 2004 03:49 am

still got a few mins:LD

From reading around I think Cubase doesn't need .ini files but Patch scripts (.XML)

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 07, 2004 01:47 pm

well, cubase has a menu where when you go down through it there's an option that says 'add midi device.' then theres a long list of hardware. the triton is included. that makes me think it already knows the what's up with the triton? i havent known exactly how to set this yet. maybe i should check it out and see if i can get a listing of patches to come up.

i'm still not sure what the aim of this is. if you have the .ini file, it lets you trigger many separate sounds at once or something?

illbizz, i see what you're doing. using the piano roll to trigger drums within the drum kit! thats a good idea.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 08, 2004 10:27 pm

Forty, sorry I havent seen this before now. You need to set the track in Cubase that has the midi data on it to sent the data out the midi port that the Triton is connected to. ie: if you only have one port that is the port you need to send data out. If you have multiple ports you need to figure out which is going to the Triton. Then just make sure the Triton is set to recieve data and all is good.

The Triton should be set to receive data by default anyway.

And yes, I believe Cubase has an .ini file allready set for the Triton. That is just a file that sets up the instrument defanitions and such in Cubase so you can see your patch names and such in Cubase.

Give me a shout if ya need more help.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 09, 2004 12:19 am

yeah thanks noize. can u explain what the diff between a port and a channel is? i am using the audiophile 2496 which has one midi out and one in. is that what ports are? if so, what would the number associated with a lone port be?


ILLbino - one of WA's finest
Member
Since: Feb 10, 2004


Sep 09, 2004 01:01 pm

ok, I'll do my best to explain the difference between a port and a channel.

Ports are a reference to where the MIDI is going to either send or receive data. Its within the program. For example, I have ports labeled "microsoft midi mapper and my DMX sound card." They should each have their own unique port number. Then within the program, u specify the port number. For example, if u wanted the midi to be played over Microsoft midi mapper, you'd match that port number to the microsoft midi mapper's port number. If you wanted the midi to be played on your keyboard, then you'd match the port number to your sound card's midi.

Channels on the other hand, will play a different instrument on a single port. If you matched the port number to your keyboard, you could trigger different instruments on your keyboard by changing the channel, yet keeping the same port number.

The most important part is matching the port numbers. You should find your port settings in your options.

Yea, your Audiophile will have a specific port assigned to it. Match that number to your midi channel, then it should play thru your keyboard.

Some VSTi's need their own unique port number, so you'd import the VSTi, then match the port numbers to trigger it.

Hope this helps. It took me a while to understand it, but I'm glad I did. MIDI makes things much easier.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 09, 2004 06:17 pm

thanks man, i do get that. i already knew what channels were, but not ports. now the question is to find out what ports go where. i'm hoping that will be easy to see. i'm hoping there will be a panel that tells me 'the soundcard uses midi port n' and then i can send my app data to it. if there's no signpost then i guess experimention will reveal the right port number.

thanks

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 09, 2004 09:24 pm

forty the port should be referanced as M-audio or Delta or MidiMan midi out, as well as the in port should be labeled as well. You will find it in the preferances/midi section. Or options or whatever Cubase refers to for settings.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 14, 2004 02:40 am

ok. i did a bit of looking, and when i define a new device (triton) it is prompting me to load an xml file. the 'inactive' folder in the presets folder contains triton definitions but these are all text files. the 'open' dialogue is pressing me for an xml file. i can't find the xml file online at triton haven or through a google search.


Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 14, 2004 09:50 pm

IF I am not mistaken and dB can probably back me on this one. XML is a web based file format. I dont understand why cubase is looking for XML files to make the Triton work. I will hit him up if he doesnt see this and see what he says. Otherwise I would maybe hit up Steinberg or Korg and see whats up. I did check the Korg site and found nothing on XML either.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Sep 14, 2004 10:23 pm

While XML is usable on the web, it is not a web format file type. XML (Extensible Markup Language) is a format standard that is used to allow one application to share information with another. Many applications use XML to import and export info because it is an easily adaptable format that one can define as one sees fit for their specific needs. It is by no means limited to the web. I could easily see why Cubase and Triton would use it to send data back and forth, and actually, it's quite cool.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 14, 2004 11:41 pm

OK, now I am really curious to see what it is. I am wondering if it is cubase that is requiring it or the Triton itself. I would imagine it is cubase looking for the information file for the Triton to be in XML or something then.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 14, 2004 11:55 pm

yes, that is correct.


Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 15, 2004 09:58 pm

Then I would guess its got to be in a help file somewhere in cubase. I would open the help directory and see if you can find it in their anywhere.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 16, 2004 02:06 am

haha that didnt even occur to me. shows you how much use 'help' has been for me so far. i will try.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 16, 2004 09:44 pm

Ya, I rarely open the help file on anything. I just keep poking around till I find it or break it.

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